Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Wrong. Donald Trump will win.

Why will he win?

Sean.3516 wrote: »

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

He’s far worse than all combined.
Obama was a good President.

MrFresh

Sean.3516 wrote: »

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

By what metric?

Corkblowin

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I think a sensible adjustment to the EC, would be to apportion votes based on the percentage won by each candidate. If State A has 5 votes, and the vote is split 60/40, then one candidate would get 3 and the other .

This is the solution as it fair to both sides - if you’re a republican in California or New York there’s no point in voting atm. If you thought you might get some EC votes for your party it’d be an incentive to get involved.

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Manic Moran's most recent post on the DONALD TRUMP thread:

"We don't know that. Common Cause v Lewis is schedule to be heard in the North Carolina courts two weeks from today. It was only filed in November of 2018, so for much of the duration of the federal case, they had not even tried the State court option."

Yes, total nonsense again.

How he has not been banned is beyond me. His posts are never relevant, rarely true and typically a distraction from what we have been dicussing.

In what way is the statement you have quoted 'total nonsense'?

Sean.3516

Cody montana wrote: »

Why will he win?

He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?

Sean.3516

MrFresh wrote: »

By what metric?

Morality

pixelburp

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The most egregious aspect of this is that busing was such a key and often inflammatory element in the history of the Civil Rights movement since the 1950s. ANY President who doesn't know or understand the nuances around that can have no feel for how non-white Americans have lived. Such ignorance of racially charged matters is unforgivable in a POTUS.

Its funny, he obviously had no clue, but then would an admission as such been as bad? It's such a demonstrably ignorant remark I'd applaud any mouthpiece to translate it into coherence. Trump could have ignored the question or simply pivoted, but he does like these streams of consciousness on subjects beyond his grasp. Must be an arrogance / insecurity thing. It's how we got remarks about knowing more about ISIS than the generals, raking forests and windmills giving you cancer.

If George W Bush had come out with this, his opponents would have dined out on it for weeks. With Trump, it's merely a Friday.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Morality

You are joking right? Trump, the man who has cheated on every wife and lies every time he opens his mouth. Trump is probably one of the most immoral men you could ever find.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?

He inherited a great economy from a Democratic President.
A recession will hit in the next few years.
What will his defenders have to back him up then?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are joking right? Trump, the man who has cheated on every wife and lies every time he opens his mouth. Trump is probably one of the most immoral men you could ever find.

Not to mention paying off a porn star.
Morality indeed.

ancapailldorcha

Dog Man Star wrote: »

There are still at least five Trump supporters in this thread. Their ignorance knows no bounds. One of them is an Irish stooge in a US Army.

A trussed-up Paddy fighting for a government that would deport hundreds of thousands of Irish Americans without a glimmer of humanity.

Yet here he is. Question him and face a ban. My advice? Don't bother. In a thread about Trump, he goes off on so many tangents, it's not worth even reading.

Banned.

MrFresh

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Morality

Why do you consider him moral?

AbusesToilets

Corkblowin wrote: »

This is the solution as it fair to both sides - if you’re a republican in California or New York there’s no point in voting atm. If you thought you might get some EC votes for your party it’d be an incentive to get involved.

It would also offer some greater incentive for 3rd party candidates to get more visibility in the eyes of the public.

Midlife

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?

Decency, values, things like that.

if you support trump at this point, you clearly don't get it.

if there's nothing to it but the economy, then would you say that all American citizens wiould be happy to switch to UAE citizenship or is there something to America that goes beyond the economy?

if so, any idea what it is?

ancapailldorcha

Sean.3516 wrote: »

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Who is he? I’d like to shake this fine gentleman’s hand.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

He’s better than anything the Dems have got. Why would you want to sabotage a great economy?

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Morality

Stop the low quality posting please.

MrFresh wrote: »

Why do you consider him moral?

I would guess based on the posters history that it's because Trump is aligned with the Republicans who are anti abortion.

relax carry on

Sean.3516 wrote: »

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

Based on what?

What is your criteria on what makes Trump a better president than any of those mentioned? What is your verifiable metric of success?

batgoat

Sean.3516 wrote: »

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, I could go on, all were worse than Donald Trump.

You're classifying FDR as a bad president? FDR and Wilson tend to rank as the best US presidents... Obama while not at their level, he still brought them out of the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression... Trump meanwhile has no real achievements to speak of. So can't really think of a reason that he's better than any of them..

batgoat wrote: »

You're classifying FDR as a bad president? FDR and Wilson tend to rank as the best US presidents... Obama while not at their level, he still brought them out of the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression... Trump meanwhile has no real achievements to speak of. So can't really think of a reason that he's better than any of them..

What has Trump actually achieved?

Best/Worst US President is a topic that has been assessed time and again over the years by acknowledged experts in the political science field. Organisations like the American Political Sciences Association (APSA) do it from time to time.

There's a very interesting summary chart available that reports on a wide range of assessments over the years available on

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

This shows that Trump ranks in last place in the same low ranking as James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. Lincoln, FDR and Washington figure in the top 3. I would rely on such assessments more than an unsupported opinion posted on here tbh.

Cody montana wrote: »

What has Trump actually achieved?

I think the only tangible thing he has actually done is the embassy in Jerusalem.

Deleted User wrote: »

Cody montana wrote: »

What has Trump actually achieved?

I think the only tangible thing he has actually done is the embassy in Jerusalem.

And that flew in the face of the considered opinion and judgement of almost every other country on Earth! Some achievement! US and Guatemala know more/better than everyone else...

Uh um! I think not!

everlast75

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1144976349259603968?s=19

Racism is genetic.

Trump Snr's daddy, Trump Snr, now Trump Jnr

TomOnBoard wrote: »

And that flew in the face of the considered opinion and judgement of almost every other country on Earth! Some achievement! US and Guatemala know more/better than everyone else...

Uh um! I think not!

I never said it was a good thing!

Deleted User wrote: »

TomOnBoard wrote: »

And that flew in the face of the considered opinion and judgement of almost every other country on Earth! Some achievement! US and Guatemala know more/better than everyone else...

Uh um! I think not!

I never said it was a good thing!

Fair point. I was adding to your post by pointing out how unilateral and misguided even that single thing he had done was.