Gemma O'Doherty and her unicorns

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The non stunning of the animal would be one of the main issues.

I know you said that they are stunned in the UK and Ireland but I couldn't find anything that says that.

I'd be more than happy to read anything to the contrary.

I posted links before on another thread, not searching again as I'm on the phone enjoying a cold one in the beer garden (27 fecking degrees here).

King Mob wrote:

So to be clear, you've been upset about something that you've never actually checked to see if it was true or not...

No. I have looked and everything I have read about halal butchering points to the fact that animals aren't stunned.

I wouldn't say I'm upset about it either. I just would not like to see it as standard or to be something promoted.

Cathy Newman would be proud of your tactics though.

King Mob wrote:

I'm calling it racism because it's an expression of one culture's superiority over anothers. Calling halal food "dirty" is racist. Calling Islamic things "barbaric" is racist. Boycotting businesses because you subscribe to a bizarre paranoid conspiracy theory about a specific culture is "racist".

It's not. Not even nearly. Opposing aspects of a different culture is not racist.

King Mob wrote:

Lol. You're contradicting yourself.

I haven't. Racism is feeling of superiority because of race. Islam is not a race. And although I would be loathe to say my ideals are superior to anyone elses, I would certainly oppose and fight against many aspects of it and would hate to see them implemented in any country I would choose to call home. Laugh away though.

Deleted User wrote: »

The non stunning of the animal would be one of the main issues.

I know you said that they are stunned in the UK and Ireland but I couldn't find anything that says that.

I'd be more than happy to read anything to the contrary.

So to be clear, you've been upset about something that you've never actually checked to see if it was true or not...

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

What is it about halal that upsets you?

The non stunning of the animal would be one of the main issues.

I know you said that they are stunned in the UK and Ireland but I couldn't find anything that says that.

I'd be more than happy to read anything to the contrary.

recedite wrote: »

Isn't it funny though, when they come here they don't see any need to fit in.
Its our foodstuffs that need to be changed, to suit them.

How has your foodstuff changed? What's different about it today as regard to say 18 months ago?

recedite wrote: »

Isn't it funny though, when they come here they don't see any need to fit in.
Its our foodstuffs that need to be changed, to suit them.

Lol.
Who are "they" exactly?
What was changed about Brennan's bread?
Please be specific.

Deleted User wrote: »

No. It's not.
...

Racism is treating someone different or feeling superior to them because of their ethnicity/race.

Lol. You're contradicting yourself.

Deleted User wrote: »

But it's easier for you to call everyone a racist if they don't agree with you. Fire ahead. As I said earlier, it is pointless:

But that's not why I'm calling what was said racist.

I'm calling it racism because it's an expression of one culture's superiority over anothers.
Calling halal food "dirty" is racist. Calling Islamic things "barbaric" is racist.
Boycotting businesses because you subscribe to a bizarre paranoid conspiracy theory about a specific culture is "racist".

And hey, if you're so ready to not respond to the topic of the thread, I'm a bit confused as to why you're posting...

I'd also like to know why you are triggered by halal bread...

Deleted User wrote: »

When in Morocco, I was constantly reminded that my ideals and dietary habits were dirty and abhorrent to the locals.

I respected that and did everything I could to fit in to their customs and beliefs.

Isn't it funny though, when they come here they don't see any need to fit in.
Its our foodstuffs that need to be changed, to suit them.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. It's not.

When in Morocco, I was constantly reminded that my ideals and dietary habits were dirty and abhorrent to the locals.

I respected that and did everything I could to fit in to their customs and beliefs.

I haven't read this whole thread so can't comment on the conspiracy theory regarding the bread. I'd prefer to give my custom to businesses that were opposed to halal practices.

Racism is treating someone different or feeling superior to them because of their ethnicity/race.

I don't oppose anyone's ethnicity or race. I oppose plenty of people ideals. Just like you do.

But it's easier for you to call everyone a racist if they don't agree with you. Fire ahead. As I said earlier, it is pointless:

What is it about halal that upsets you?

King Mob wrote:

Remind me, is calling something from another culture "dirty" and a "****hole" racist? How about the idea of boycotting a business because you believe a conspiracy theory about the culture of the people who run that business? Racist?

No. It's not.

When in Morocco, I was constantly reminded that my ideals and dietary habits were dirty and abhorrent to the locals.

I respected that and did everything I could to fit in to their customs and beliefs.

I haven't read this whole thread so can't comment on the conspiracy theory regarding the bread. I'd prefer to give my custom to businesses that were opposed to halal practices.

Racism is treating someone different or feeling superior to them because of their ethnicity/race.

I don't oppose anyone's ethnicity or race. I oppose plenty of people ideals. Just like you do.

But it's easier for you to call everyone a racist if they don't agree with you. Fire ahead. As I said earlier, it is pointless:

Deleted User wrote:

You aren't prepared to engage in discourse so I will not be responding to you any further. I've made my point. You called people racist where it's patently and undeniably untrue and are doing nothing except baiting people to lose their cool with your arrogant and dismissive attitude.

Deleted User wrote: »

It is amazing that opposing an ideology has now been classed as racism. It's not.

Remind me, is calling something from another culture "dirty" and a "****hole" racist?
How about the idea of boycotting a business because you believe a conspiracy theory about the culture of the people who run that business? Racist?

If not, can you please explain what would be racist?

Do you also buy into red's rather bizarre conspiracy theory that Brennan's was trying to hush up their halal certification?

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No.

So what would you describe discrimination and active opposition based on solely religious grounds as?

banie01 wrote:

Ok then, Sectarianism a more appropriate word/description for you?

No.

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is amazing that opposing an ideology has now been classed as racism. It's not.

Ok then, Sectarianism a more appropriate word/description for you?

recedite wrote:

Islam is not harmless. I'm not going to support it, and I'm not going to support businesses that support it.

It is amazing that opposing an ideology has now been classed as racism. It's not.

recedite wrote: »

Islam is not harmless. I'm not going to support it, and I'm not going to support businesses that support it.

Ah ok. That makes more sense.
It was racism all along.

In what way does Brennan's bread being halal support the harmful effects of Islam?

recedite wrote: »

xcept its new news to most of us, because they have been selective about only blowing their halal trumpet within certain circles.

Is that a conspiracy? No, its clever marketing.
Put on Old Mr. Brennan with his childhood tales of Olde Oirland for the traditional customer base, but wave the halal badge at the new demographic.

Lol
That is a conspiracy theory, and it's a bit silly and paranoid to be honest.
And like most conspiracy theories, it doesn't make much sense.

Why, if Brennans are so concerned about their image in being seen as progressive, didn't they advertise the fact? How could they pander if they don't tell anyone about it?
Why then if they didn't want to lose their "traditional customer base" did they do it in the first place?

It's not much better than the claims about communists interfering with our precious bodily fluids.
You obviously haven't thought about this idea much beyond how offended and triggered you can pretend to be.

recedite wrote: »

Islam is not harmless. I'm not going to support it, and I'm not going to support businesses that support it.

How has it affected your life?

Gemma alerted us this week that some businesses have been pandering to the rapidly growing muslim customer base in Ireland by purchasing Islamic certification documents.

She "alerted" you to something that's been going on for years, how does it affect you?

Somebody said that was old news, because Brennans have been doing it for 2 years. Except its new news to most of us, because they have been selective about only blowing their halal trumpet within certain circles.

So every company should announce every single decision they make even if it has no affect on you?

Is that a conspiracy? No, its clever marketing.
Put on Old Mr. Brennan with his childhood tales of Olde Oirland for the traditional customer base, but wave the halal badge at the new demographic.

And once again, how does it affect you? Does the bread somehow taste different to you now?

Islam is not harmless. I'm not going to support it, and I'm not going to support businesses that support it.
Gemma alerted us this week that some businesses have been pandering to the rapidly growing muslim customer base in Ireland by purchasing Islamic certification documents.
Somebody said that was old news, because Brennans have been doing it for 2 years. Except its new news to most of us, because they have been selective about only blowing their halal trumpet within certain circles.

Is that a conspiracy? No, its clever marketing.
Put on Old Mr. Brennan with his childhood tales of Olde Oirland for the traditional customer base, but wave the halal badge at the new demographic.

recedite wrote: »

As somebody else said to you already, ask the OP.
If you think this thread is in the wrong forum, ask a mod to move it.

Again, questions dodged.

So there is no conspiracy.
There is no affect on anyone or anything.
There are no negative consequences to point to.
There is no reason for you guys to get so worked up beyond your own irrational phobias of the foreign.

What point were you trying to make by reposting story about something that you agree is utterly meaningless and harmless?

King Mob wrote: »

However I asked two questions. You ignored one:

And what is the conspiracy?

As somebody else said to you already, ask the OP.
If you think this thread is in the wrong forum, ask a mod to move it.

recedite wrote:

Does it affect me whether animals are slaughtered humanely or not? Not really. Does it affect me if my neighbour is robbed, or the streets are full of homeless people? Not really. Does it affect me if Brennans want to pay an annual certification fee to the islamic centre for each of their products? Not really.

recedite wrote:

Its just that some of us still have some sort of civic pride, we are not totally mÃ© feiners. I can't stop libtard politicians from destroying the country, but we can all make tiny consumer choices.

Despite being misrepresented in the reply you revieved, I think you explained that very well.

recedite wrote: »

Does it affect me whether animals are slaughtered humanely or not? Not really.
Does it affect me if my neighbour is robbed, or the streets are full of homeless people? Not really.
Does it affect me if Brennans want to pay an annual certification fee to the islamic centre for each of their products? Not really.

Its just that some of us still have some sort of civic pride, we are not totally meiners. I can't stop libtard politicians from destroying the country, but we can all make tiny consumer choices.

So it doesn't effect you. A bit weird you compare it to robbing houses and homeless people...
Also a bit weird that you bring up slaughtering animals when a) it's bread and b) halal animals in Ireland are stunned prior to slaughter.

However I asked two questions. You ignored one:

And what is the conspiracy? That Brennans were hiding their halal certification?

Also, in what way is Brennan's bread being certified as halal leading to the destruction of the country?
In what way is getting triggered by that "civic pride"?
Do you realise how silly that makes you sound?

Cordell

The last few referendums (referenda?) were to remove stuff that was added in the Constitution because or religious fundamentalism, this is how fundamentalism affects us.

King Mob wrote: »

Ok, but how does it affect you?

Does it affect me whether animals are slaughtered humanely or not? Not really.
Does it affect me if my neighbour is robbed, or the streets are full of homeless people? Not really.
Does it affect me if Brennans want to pay an annual certification fee to the islamic centre for each of their products? Not really.

Its just that some of us still have some sort of civic pride, we are not totally mé feiners. I can't stop libtard politicians from destroying the country, but we can all make tiny consumer choices.

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

It frustrates me how loose tongued she is, because I actually agree with her on quite a few of the things that she says - Mary Boyle cover-up, Fr Niall Molloy cover-up, Ian Bailey fit-up, corruption of the media, possible issues with vaccines. But she a) needs to shut down her Twitter account and b) stop coming to conclusions before having enough evidence.

You don't have to agree with everything a journalist says. She can be wrong on one thing, and totally right on the other 90% (or 50% or 20% or whatever you're having yerself)

Its not about taking sides, and then following the party line on every single issue. That is what the libtard does.

jeremyj1968

Gerry G wrote: »

Science writer takes legal action against Gemma O'Doherty https://jrnl.ie/4700195 Looking like Gemma might be in a little hot water. Not before time, hopefully she gets her comeuppance

It frustrates me how loose tongued she is, because I actually agree with her on quite a few of the things that she says - Mary Boyle cover-up, Fr Niall Molloy cover-up, Ian Bailey fit-up, corruption of the media, possible issues with vaccines. But she a) needs to shut down her Twitter account and b) stop coming to conclusions before having enough evidence.

recedite wrote: »

Its not a news story until its actually in the news.
And its not a 2 year old news story until it has been in the news for 2 years.

Supposing Brennans had made something known to muslims by having it listed here, while not advertising their Halal credentials to the general Irish public.

It seems Gemma has done more to make this a news story than Brennans has.
And that's why we have journalists.

Ok, but how does it affect you?

And what is the conspiracy? That Brennans were hiding their halal certification?

Also, someone who promotes the idea of contrails or faked school shootings is not a journalist.

Infernal Racket

Science writer takes legal action against Gemma O'Doherty https://jrnl.ie/4700195

Looking like Gemma might be in a little hot water. Not before time, hopefully she gets her comeuppance