[Deleted User] wrote: » It is amazing that opposing an ideology has now been classed as racism. It's not.
banie01 wrote: Ok then, Sectarianism a more appropriate word/description for you?
[Deleted User] wrote: » No.
Deleted User wrote: » It is amazing that opposing an ideology has now been classed as racism. It's not.
King Mob wrote: Remind me, is calling something from another culture "dirty" and a "****hole" racist? How about the idea of boycotting a business because you believe a conspiracy theory about the culture of the people who run that business? Racist?
Deleted User wrote: You aren't prepared to engage in discourse so I will not be responding to you any further. I've made my point. You called people racist where it's patently and undeniably untrue and are doing nothing except baiting people to lose their cool with your arrogant and dismissive attitude.
[Deleted User] wrote: » No. It's not. When in Morocco, I was constantly reminded that my ideals and dietary habits were dirty and abhorrent to the locals. I respected that and did everything I could to fit in to their customs and beliefs. I haven't read this whole thread so can't comment on the conspiracy theory regarding the bread. I'd prefer to give my custom to businesses that were opposed to halal practices. Racism is treating someone different or feeling superior to them because of their ethnicity/race. I don't oppose anyone's ethnicity or race. I oppose plenty of people ideals. Just like you do. But it's easier for you to call everyone a racist if they don't agree with you. Fire ahead. As I said earlier, it is pointless:
Deleted User wrote: » When in Morocco, I was constantly reminded that my ideals and dietary habits were dirty and abhorrent to the locals.I respected that and did everything I could to fit in to their customs and beliefs.
Deleted User wrote: » No. It's not. ... Racism is treating someone different or feeling superior to them because of their ethnicity/race.
Deleted User wrote: » But it's easier for you to call everyone a racist if they don't agree with you. Fire ahead. As I said earlier, it is pointless:
recedite wrote: » Isn't it funny though, when they come here they don't see any need to fit in. Its our foodstuffs that need to be changed, to suit them.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: What is it about halal that upsets you?
Deleted User wrote: » The non stunning of the animal would be one of the main issues. I know you said that they are stunned in the UK and Ireland but I couldn't find anything that says that. I'd be more than happy to read anything to the contrary.
King Mob wrote: I'm calling it racism because it's an expression of one culture's superiority over anothers. Calling halal food "dirty" is racist. Calling Islamic things "barbaric" is racist. Boycotting businesses because you subscribe to a bizarre paranoid conspiracy theory about a specific culture is "racist".
King Mob wrote: Lol. You're contradicting yourself.
King Mob wrote: So to be clear, you've been upset about something that you've never actually checked to see if it was true or not...
[Deleted User] wrote: » The non stunning of the animal would be one of the main issues. I know you said that they are stunned in the UK and Ireland but I couldn't find anything that says that. I'd be more than happy to read anything to the contrary.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: I posted links before on another thread, not searching again as I'm on the phone enjoying a cold one in the beer garden (27 fecking degrees here).
Deleted User wrote: » It's not. Not even nearly. Opposing aspects of a different culture is not racist.
Deleted User wrote: » I haven't. Racism is feeling of superiority because of race. Islam is not a race.
No. I have looked and everything I have read about halal butchering points to the fact that animals aren't stunned.
King Mob wrote: What do you call it when it is against culture or religion then? Is it impossible to discriminate or feel superior to cultures? Or is that acceptable? Do you believe that there's no such thing as antisemitism since Judaism isn't a race either?
Deleted User wrote: » Are you saying being critical of aspects of others beliefs or culture is racist?
King Mob wrote: No, I specifically explained to you what I mean. Read my post and try again.
King Mob wrote: But that's not the point I was making. You are avoiding it. Calling aspects of a different culture things like "dirty" "****hole" and "barbaric" are racist. They are expressing superiority of one culture over anothers using specifically dehumanising words.
Deleted User wrote: » I've read it. I've read it. I'm not avoiding it. Calling aspects of other cultures dirty and barbaric is not racist. And yes, I feel that western culture is superior to Islamic culture due to their treatment of women, homosexuality, animals and other barbaric and dirty acts. That isn't racist. You claim that it is. That's my one and only point.
Deleted User wrote: » I'm not avoiding it.
King Mob wrote: Perhaps you can provide an example of what you think is racist?
King Mob wrote: Do you believe that antisemitism doesn't exist as it's discrimination just not against a race?
King Mob wrote: Ok. So what do you call it when someone claims that another culture or similar group of people is lesser? What do you believe antisemitism is since it can't possibly be racism?
Deleted User wrote: » Disliking black people because of the colour of their skin.
Deleted User wrote: » anti-Semitism is more political or hating Jews completely for them being Jewish. I don't hate Muslims because they follow Islam. I just don't agree with their aspects of their religion and would oppose them being implemented in western society.
Deleted User wrote: » Well it depends on context. If for example I feel that western culture is superior to Islamic culture due to the fact that we don't kill gays and allow women equal rights, I would call it common sense.
King Mob wrote: » And then disliking black people because you believe they are dirty and do barbaric things? Racism?
King Mob wrote: » Again, you are contradicting yourself here. You've also avoided the question. How can antisemitism be racism when it's not about a race? How is what you say any different from what antisemites say about Judaism?
King Mob wrote: » So antisemitism is also just "common sense" as long as someone believes that their culture is superior to Jewish culture? (Also, lol at your examples.) Also, any luck finding that link that forms the basis of your entire outrage? Can we just assume you're not going to provide it...?
[Deleted User] wrote: » If you think all black people do dirty and barbaric things because of the colour of their skin, yes you are a racist. I am not. Anti-semitism isnt racism. It's anti-semitism. In fact, I have some misgivings with Judaism such as the enforced circumsicion of male chidren for religious purposes. I think that is also barbaric. Doesn't mean I hate all jews. I just have issues with certain parts of their religion which. "lol" at my examples all you like. I am not outraged, I just don't like halal pracitises. I am not a fan of Islam and their culture outside the western world. I believe that there are problems with almost (if not all) religions but I do feel that Islam is the least compatible to the West. In no way am saying all muslims are barbaric or dirty, I know you would like to try and frame it as if I was, but if I am right about halal, along with the other issues I have with the religion. Followers of islam have an issue with the west too, which I can respect. Whenever I am in an Islamist country, I make sure to adhere to their culture's practices. And again, using emotive words like "racist" "outrage" etc when people are just trying to get their point across is an underhanded debating tactic. My whole point is that disagreeing with religious practises isn't racist. When I say this you immediately point to Jews and Anti-semitism and conflating the two, all the while "lol"-ing when the issue of womens rights and violence against homosexuals is pointed out in response. Here's a linkhttps://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/halal-non-stunning-of-cattle-pre-slaughter-is-a-contentious-issue-says-vet/ I wont be responding to you anymore (I know, I said that before) as you are looking for an argument rather than a conversation and to be honest, I don't have the time or inclination to bother with someone like you (that's probably racist in your opinion)
Deleted User wrote: » My whole point is that disagreeing with religious practises isn't racist.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Do you have an issue with their insistence on kosher food/meals?
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Halal meat in ireland and the uk is stunned.
Deleted User wrote: » Here's a linkhttps://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/halal-non-stunning-of-cattle-pre-slaughter-is-a-contentious-issue-says-vet/
King Mob wrote: » Also maybe try answering the rest of my questions before asking rhetoric ones of your own.
recedite wrote: » I think I'll go with the qualified veterinary surgeon on this one. You don't get to control the whole conversation simply by calling other people racists. That doesn't give you automatic immunity to any criticism. It doesn't give you the right to interrogate other posters while never answering them, and never citing any evidence for your assertions. Maybe try answering some questions yourself for a change.