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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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AugustusMinimus

questionmark? wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

I have no doubt that various Green Party members will object to this development.

marno21

questionmark? wrote: »

Dan Boyle straight in to complain that the council shouldn't be on favour of it before planning is submitted (even though they don't have a say!)

https://twitter.com/sendboyle/status/1144235052919922688

Ah lets build 150 semi Ds in Carrigaline and add a few hundred more cars to the roads around Cork.

Unfortunately I have to restrain myself with regards to his policies after some issues we had on the Roads forum.

questionmark?

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

questionmark? wrote: »

Dan Boyle straight in to complain that the council shouldn't be on favour of it before planning is submitted (even though they don't have a say!)

Alarming.

Care to elaborate?

AugustusMinimus

questionmark? wrote: »

Dan Boyle straight in to complain that the council shouldn't be on favour of it before planning is submitted (even though they don't have a say!)

Alarming.

questionmark?

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

This is what makes Cork City council different then Dublin city council. They want high rise density apartments in the city.

https://twitter.com/corkcitycouncil/status/1144212526722363394?s=09

Dan Boyle straight in to complain that the council shouldn't be on favour of it before planning is submitted (even though they don't have a say!)

SleetAndSnow

This is what makes Cork City council different then Dublin city council. They want high rise density apartments in the city.

https://twitter.com/corkcitycouncil/status/1144212526722363394?s=09

AugustusMinimus

I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Green politicians will generally be opposed to this development aswell.

They claim they are pro high density but then seem to oppose it when it’s to get built.

Captainsatnav

BUNK1982 wrote: »

I dismissed it as well when I heard it but having been down there for the Sea Festival thing I'm inclined to think that it's not the best use of the site.

If they put it on either side of that spot i would be 110% for it but I'm starting to think that there could be something better (museum/ civic amenity etc.) done on that site.

A big f*ck off bronze Mick Collins statue (35 stories - at least).

BUNK1982

cantalach wrote: »

And my card-carrying Green Party sibling who lives in another city is a bit perplexed by this opposition. It would be interesting to know if this local opposition to high density development has the backing of Green Party leadership nationally, or if they are even aware of it.

I dismissed it as well when I heard it but having been down there for the Sea Festival thing I'm inclined to think that it's not the best use of the site.

If they put it on either side of that spot i would be 110% for it but I'm starting to think that there could be something better (museum/ civic amenity etc.) done on that site.

snotboogie

Captainsatnav wrote: »

That's not residential though and is pie in the sky stuff designed to grab headlines and raise awareness of that Irish American crowd's profile. It may get built but not anywhere near that scale. (I'm not a GP member or anything by the way - I just happen to agree with a lot of what they stand for. Urban, denser living being one of them)

To be fair there is little to no firm details on the project. The last update seemed to indicate that it would include significant residential. If it's pie in the sky, why bother with it at all. Oliver Moran was up in the Dail asking for details of the sale and everything.

cantalach

snotboogie wrote: »

The green party are ferociously campaigning against the Port of Cork Tower

And my card-carrying Green Party sibling who lives in another city is a bit perplexed by this opposition. It would be interesting to know if this local opposition to high density development has the backing of Green Party leadership nationally, or if they are even aware of it.

Captainsatnav

snotboogie wrote: »

The green party are ferociously campaigning against the Port of Cork Tower

That's not residential though and is pie in the sky stuff designed to grab headlines and raise awareness of that Irish American crowd's profile. It may get built but not anywhere near that scale. (I'm not a GP member or anything by the way - I just happen to agree with a lot of what they stand for. Urban, denser living being one of them)

snotboogie

Captainsatnav wrote: »

To be fair this is exactly the kind of development that the Green Party would be in favour of, promote and advocate for.

The green party are ferociously campaigning against the Port of Cork Tower

Captainsatnav

Meursault wrote: »

Agreed.

Hopefully An Taisce, Greens, and miscellaneous NIMBYs stay out of this one, for a chance.

To be fair this is exactly the kind of development that the Green Party would be in favour of, promote and advocate for.

Meursault

Deleted User wrote: »

Who gives a fvck, just get it built

Agreed.

Hopefully An Taisce, Greens, and miscellaneous NIMBYs stay out of this one, for a chance.

[Deleted User]

Who gives a fvck, just get it built

marno21

And ~54 meters shorter than the rumoured height for the Docklands Tower.

snotboogie

cgcsb wrote: »

just 6m shorter than the planned Tara St tower

Also 1 metre shorter than the Mahon Tower.

cgcsb

just 6m shorter than the planned Tara St tower

snotboogie

Height is planned to be 82 metres on the new tower. Project will cost 90 million

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/docklands-plan-to-see-cork-skyline-hit-new-heights-with-countrys-tallest-building-933245.html

Corkladddd!!

Looks good but I'd like to see the planning authorities enforce them to incorporate facilities for proper pickup and drop off spaces for Taxis etc. Somewhere where you can take a few bags of shopping/suitcase out of a car without being on the actual road as that is key to living high rise and not owning a car. I lived in Singapore and some residences/shopping centers like this had a barrier to a drop off space where the system recognized the taxis (tag system similar to tolling) but would not allow Joe Soap in to park for 5 minutes when he went to the shop. This did require some joined up thinking and such so may be feasible in 20-30 years...

fonecrusher1

opus wrote: »

Video is gone but here's a screenshot.

Personally I'd love to see that built there as would open the door for more tall building down in the docklands.

I think it looks great. Wow Cork city will be looking very cool in a few years time. Fingers crossed.

[Deleted User]

sheff_ wrote: »

You think the townland should read Garranedarragh? That would be the old farm/estate house behind dunnes. Interesting to see where access would be from if so, given the bottleneck eagle valley can be already

Gurranedarragh which is actually Togher, more scamming people on address

snotboogie

calnand wrote: »

I heard from someone in the know that it's gone back for planning, and changing most apartments to one and two beds.

It would be good to see some (any!) movement on the Mahon Tower!

sheff_

marno21 wrote: »

SHD consultation filed this week with ABP for 115 houses and 112 apartments in Bishopstown

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/304707.htm

You think the townland should read Garranedarragh? That would be the old farm/estate house behind dunnes. Interesting to see where access would be from if so, given the bottleneck eagle valley can be already

calnand

snotboogie wrote: »

The development at Jacobs Island wouldn't be aimed at families. i was listening to Ronan Lyons on newstalk this morning and he was saying that the massive under supply in Ireland is for young professionals who either want to live in 1 bed apts or share an apt with one or two others in the same demographic. His main point was that we need to get out of the mindset that all accommodation should be built with a couple and three kids in mind. In Mahon you could walk to work and to Mahon Point, get the bus into town and access the greenway to Douglas on a bike.

I heard from someone in the know that it's gone back for planning, and changing most apartments to one and two beds.

[Deleted User]

snotboogie wrote: »

Could be apartment shares, which work out cheaper to the renters than 1 bedroom apts

True as long as theybare not marketed/sold as family units?
I've live in commuter blocks and full of families

snotboogie

Deleted User wrote: »

You put three bedroom apartments in there and it's not professional singletons looking to buy.

Could be apartment shares, which work out cheaper to the renters than 1 bedroom apts

[Deleted User]

cgcsb wrote: »

Have you considered that not everyone has or wants kids?

You put three bedroom apartments in there and it's not professional singletons looking to buy.

marno21

SHD consultation filed this week with ABP for 115 houses and 112 apartments in Bishopstown

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/304707.htm