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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

dowlingm

So there's been quite a bit of discussion of greenways on threads like Western Rail Corridor (Train & Rail Systems) and I was thinking it might be useful to have a thread which pulls together both technical discussion (for example how greenways can co-exist with adjacent roadways or railways) and news (expansions of existing greenways / announcements of new ones)

According to the Connaught Tribune there are moves on getting on Galway-Clifden along the old rail line alignment. Is there anything else starting to reach firm proposals as opposed to discussion?

MOD EDIT: Fantastic Greenway map of Ireland by riddlinrussell here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1HAHB3jpXV7qgrTHgopH4Zl7-ItDHGEPv&ll=53.4320326010536%2C-8.939188105408448&z=7

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John Hutton

Anyone cycled the canal Newry to Portadown? Thinking of giving it a go next week, is it all decent path?

Zubeneschamali

MJohnston wrote: »

Galway to Clifden will be a beautiful cycle. Surprisingly lacking in much gradient work for such a mountainous area!

There was a steam railway route via moycullen and oughterard, so usual max railway gradients.

riddlinrussell

CatInABox wrote: »

I'm usually loath to put up anything directly from a politician, but I'm not sure I'll find a more succinct summary of bribes funded projects.

*snip*

I will admit i'm disappointed there isnt more of the SLNCR route being done this round, especially after the literal song and dance Shane Ross made of it.

CatInABox

serfboard wrote: »

God you're awful cynical. If that's the way you think, you could describe every bit of infrastructure spending as bribery - and maybe you do.

Me, I'm not naive enough to think that there is no political prioritisation going on, but there is an overall strategy to provide more Greenways, and anything that advances it, I welcome.

I see ten projects here, only two of which are in the GDA. Low-cost, sustainable rural infrastructure which will bring health (physical and mental) benefits to local communities as well as bringing tourists off the beaten track? I'm all for it, however it comes.

Jokingly cynical, to be honest, nothing more.

Greenways are a great investment in infrastructure, and will always have my support.

hans aus dtschl

Midleton to Youghal just got funding approved.
Hopefully changes the colour on the greenway map to orange?

Who is updating the map? There's a few more schemes progressing in the Dunkettle area too.

riddlinrussell

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Midleton to Youghal just got funding approved.
Hopefully changes the colour on the greenway map to orange?

Who is updating the map? There's a few more schemes progressing in the Dunkettle area too.

Could you let me know the status/route of the Dunkettle changes? There was a tranche of funding announced recently but I hadn't had time to go through and check that all the funded routes were up to date. Midleton-Youghal updated.

serfboard

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Midleton-Youghal updated.

Just to let you know riddlinrussell, you have the Cahersiveen Greenway as both "Proposed" and "Planned/In Progress".

riddlinrussell

serfboard wrote: »

Just to let you know riddlinrussell, you have the Cahersiveen Greenway as both "Proposed" and "Planned/In Progress".

Thats intentional, the full route has been proposed, the currently planned section is Glenbeigh/Cahersiveen.

Will it actually run straight to Farranfore? Possibly not (Although the optics of being able to cycle straight from the Airport to the end of the Iveragh would be pretty cool)
More likely the rest of the route will use a good bit of the railbed, then veer off towards Killarney.

hans aus dtschl

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Could you let me know the status/route of the Dunkettle changes? There was a tranche of funding announced recently but I hadn't had time to go through and check that all the funded routes were up to date. Midleton-Youghal updated.

I'm expecting very poor quality designs for each, but still... funding for both is approved

The Glanmire - Dunkettle section was part of the Part 8 here:
https://www.corkcoco.ie/sites/default/files/2018-05/SHT_20_GLAM_CT_009.1%20-%20009.6_0.pdf

The Dukettle scheme itself was part of the part 8 here:
https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/traffic-transport/statutory-processes

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hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I'm expecting very poor quality designs for each, but still... funding for both is approved

The min requirements were already set out last year for all future greenways. Any reason why you think these won't follow those?

Qrt

Any recent updates re: the Dodder Greenway?

tigerboon

Qrt wrote: »

Any recent updates re: the Dodder Greenway?

Phase 1 at tender stage at the moment

riddlinrussell

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I'm expecting very poor quality designs for each, but still... funding for both is approved

The Glanmire - Dunkettle section was part of the Part 8 here:
https://www.corkcoco.ie/sites/default/files/2018-05/SHT_20_GLAM_CT_009.1%20-%20009.6_0.pdf

The Dukettle scheme itself was part of the part 8 here:
https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/traffic-transport/statutory-processes

Thanks for that! Updated it now. I haven't been and won't be including 'shared footway' its not adequate for pedestrians or cyclists, and if I included it all as 'potential' cycleway/greenway then the map would be full of it.

hans aus dtschl

Deleted User wrote: »

The min requirements were already set out last year for all future greenways. Any reason why you think these won't follow those?

IU-1 wasn't supposed to be a greenway according to the Cork Cycle Network Plan 2017. It was supposed to be a fully segregated two-way cycle route. All the pedestrian/cyclist shared facilities are listed on it, and this isn't one.

The Glanmire route was badly designed at first attempt with 2m width, partial segregation and ceding priority at many driveways. The NTA got involved and directed that full segregation, 4m width and full priority will be required. The council accepted the correction but no new design has been published to date.

hans aus dtschl

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Thanks for that! Updated it now. I haven't been and won't be including 'shared footway' its not adequate for pedestrians or cyclists, and if I included it all as 'potential' cycleway/greenway then the map would be full of it.

Exactly. Luckily the Glanmire bit was forced into redesign by the NTA, so perhaps we may see usable infrastructure.
The building development (660 houses) is progressing quite well, but still the same old road at present.

riddlinrussell

There are likely more routes that I have missed, I never actually dug into the CMATS to add any proposed routes that were in it (bit busy at present). As always, if anyone sees anything I've missed or that they know of in their local area, please let me know and I'll get on it!

Carawaystick

John Hutton wrote: »

Anyone cycled the canal Newry to Portadown? Thinking of giving it a go next week, is it all decent path?

Yeah, all tarmac. Mostly off road, with some quiet local access roads.
I'd start in Portadown, so's not to be hanging about there at the end (July). Got the train there from Newry, its about £3.50 for adults, bikes are free.

John Hutton

Carawaystick wrote: »

Yeah, all tarmac. Mostly off road, with some quiet local access roads.
I'd start in Portadown, so's not to be hanging about there at the end (July). Got the train there from Newry, its about £3.50 for adults, bikes are free.

Thanks, sounds great, yeah I won't be hanging around in Portadown ðŸ˜‚

serfboard

John Hutton wrote: »

Thanks, sounds great, yeah I won't be hanging around in Portadown

Yeah - the disadvantage of cycling from Newry to Portadown is that, at the end of your trip, you're in Portadown

MJohnston

Portadown has a lovely train station that will help take you away from that problem though

riddlinrussell

Added a significant section of Greenway alongside the N56 from Maas townland to Cloughwally (Complete from Cloughwally to Lettermacaward, remaining section in progress alongside the roadworks on that section.)

You may note I called it greenway rather than cycleway, I drove past it on Saturday and was, quite frankly, blown away by the quality of the route, in many places it is fully separate from the road (although visible from it) and in some places is entirely deviated from the road route so is substantial enough in its own right to be considered a fully separate greenway (similar to the envisaged Sligo, Leitrim and North Counties, which would run close to the N16 for most of its length)

If this is the new standard that TII are doing national road works to regarding cycling/pedestrian provision then I plan to be very excited about any forthcoming N road improvement works coming down the line.

marno21

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Added a significant section of Greenway alongside the N56 from Maas townland to Cloughwally (Complete from Cloughwally to Lettermacaward, remaining section in progress alongside the roadworks on that section.)

You may note I called it greenway rather than cycleway, I drove past it on Saturday and was, quite frankly, blown away by the quality of the route, in many places it is fully separate from the road (although visible from it) and in some places is entirely deviated from the road route so is substantial enough in its own right to be considered a fully separate greenway (similar to the envisaged Sligo, Leitrim and North Counties, which would run close to the N16 for most of its length)

If this is the new standard that TII are doing national road works to regarding cycling/pedestrian provision then I plan to be very excited about any forthcoming N road improvement works coming down the line.

Quite a lot of that greenway is using the old N56 before realignment I believe.

There's another 15km of that road to be realigned about to be tendered. It'll be 26km from Dungloe to the R262 junction south of Glenties when complete.

riddlinrussell

marno21 wrote: »

Quite a lot of that greenway is using the old N56 before realignment I believe.

There's another 15km of that road to be realigned about to be tendered. It'll be 26km from Dungloe to the R262 junction south of Glenties when complete.

Wasnt really looking hard at the works at the Dungloe end unfortunately, but theres a long section without the cycleway from there to Cloughwally, which is unfortunate, I'd say a full Dungloe - Glenties greenway would be quite the tourist draw.

marno21

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Wasnt really looking hard at the works at the Dungloe end unfortunately, but theres a long section without the cycleway from there to Cloughwally, which is unfortunate, I'd say a full Dungloe - Glenties greenway would be quite the tourist draw.

The two schemes due for tender are Dungloe-Cloghbolie (7.5km) and Letterilly-Glenties-Kilraine (7.5km). The completed section is Cloghbolie-Boyoughter-Kilkenny-Letterilly, which was done in three phases.

riddlinrussell

marno21 wrote: »

The two schemes due for tender are Dungloe-Cloghbolie (7.5km) and Letterilly-Glenties-Kilraine (7.5km). The completed section is Cloghbolie-Boyoughter-Kilkenny-Letterilly, which was done in three phases.

Oh wow ok! I'll optimisticially mark the whole of the route as a planned greenway in that case, it would be a real shame if the forthcoming improvements failed to capitalise on whats already there.

veryangryman

The Dublin-Galway Greenway has some route news. West of Athlone, she's going to drop to Shannonbridge, onto Ballinasloe, Kilreekil, Loughrea and onto Galway. Westmeath Independent has the article. It is to follow the railway line to Monksland before the drop

Grassey

veryangryman wrote: »

The Dublin-Galway Greenway has some route news. West of Athlone, she's going to drop to Shannonbridge, onto Ballinasloe, Kilreekil, Loughrea and onto Galway. Westmeath Independent has the article. It is to follow the railway line to Monksland before the drop

https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/07/15/4176982-athlone-to-galway-cyclewa/

The preferred route is proposed to run from Athlone town to Ballinasloe via Shannonbridge, following the rail line to Daneshill before turning southwards in Roscommon.

“Land severance here is minimised via skirting privately owned land and Bord na Mona bogs. The route then continues southwards through Crannagh More and Garryngowna before moving south east towards Cregganbeaka, close to the River Shannon with views of Clonmacnoise,” the tender documents state.

From there the cycleway would run westwards towards Moore, northwest of Clooniff Bog, before moving south the route crosses the R357 north of Shannonbridge, allowing cyclists the option to continue onto Clonmacnoise on their travels. From this point, the route runs westward as far as Oldtown Wood.

“It is then proposed to cross the River Suck at Correen and follow the disused canal as far as Poolboy, before making its way into Ballinasloe town along the old canal,” the tender for the planning and design of the Athlone Castle to Galway section of the greenway reveals. The route then moves west towards Aughrim, to Kilreekil and onto Loughrea, Clarinbridge and Oranmore before making it way into Galway city.

serfboard

Grassey wrote: »

https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/07/15/4176982-athlone-to-galway-cyclewa/

From that article:

The Westmeath Independent wrote:

the requirement to compulsory acquire approximately 228 acres between Athlone and Eyre Square in Galway city

And that's the end of that.

CPOs, for anything other than road building, are not tolerated in this country. Allowed in law, but not tolerated.

Sam Russell

serfboard wrote: »

From that article:

And that's the end of that.

CPOs, for anything other than road building, are not tolerated in this country. Allowed in law, but not tolerated.

That equates to a 10 metre wide strip for the distance covered. I would not think there would be much complaint.

serfboard

Sam Russell wrote: »

That equates to a 10 metre wide strip for the distance covered. I would not think there would be much complaint.

God bless your naivety - if it was a 1m wide strip there will be objections. 'Tis all about land. It will not be given up without a fight.