Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Officials said the strike was not a bluff Trump and his cabinet agreed to carry it out and Trump at final stages called it off. The worrying thing is we know his inner circle wanted to do it. Pompeo, Bolton, Gina Haspel ( head of CIA) wanted a strike. Yep i don't buy the drone was just over water, i too believe it entered Iranian airspace to take pictures. Still i have feeling Trump realised 150 lives for the unmanned drone was messy and he was about to have a war with Iran over this. He also realised his supporters are not keen on it and may harm his election hopes. What shocked me was FOX news turned on him for this indecision and if Trump watching that, he going to rethink his position next time. Trump has now boxed himself into a corner and looking weak next time is a problem for him. Lets hope there no more incidents, but i expect it not over yet.
theguzman wrote: » Iran won't lose unless America uses Nuclear on them, even then the Ayatollahs have no problems to sacrifce millions. Iran should be left alone because if America puts boots on the ground it will turn into their their costliest war ever as Iran geographically is a fort and if America does launch an Invasion then Russia and China will both back Iran and the Russian S400 will take down any US Aircraft, Iran is unwinnable for the US unless they strike first with several Nuclear Weapons and the death toll will be incalculable, Putin and Xi will not allow Tehran be conquered, Trump himself is surely looking for someway to avoid war and at the same time save face and look like he is winning, he knows if he puts boots on the ground on Iran he is toast come Nov 2020.
ArchXStanton wrote: » I'm pretty sure if it fell in international waters the US would have been on it like a hot snot instead of the Iranians picking up the debris, judging by the sequence of events the last while the US seems to have deliberately set itself on a collision course with Iran
Iran executes ex-defence ministry employee over US spy charge Iran has reportedly executed one of its former ministry of defence employees suspected of spying for the US. Jalal Hajizavar was a contract employee for the aerospace organisation, according to reports on Saturday. He left his post nine years ago and was convicted by a military court after an investigation which discovered documents and spying equipment at his home, according to the IRIB news agency. It claims he was executed at the Rajai Shahr prison in Karaj, west of Tehran.
specky4eyes wrote: » The fucking idiot of the united states has said that Iran did attack 2 oil tankers in the gulf of Oman, the idiot would want to take a step back and consider the consequences of going to war with Iran, Iran is not Iraq in 2003 after 13 years of sanctions against Saddam, the only way Usrael can beat Iran is by using nukes. I have followed various wars and reasons for wars since the late 80's, looked into all I could find, and in every case a false narrative was put forward by the USA in it's want of war, just like today. The US (best military in the world:rolleyes:) would be best looking at the fact it hasn't won a war since WW2, even then the Russians actually did the bulk of killing and dying. I hope Russia stand in the way again and bring them to task or total destruction, the only solution.
InTheShadows wrote: » Boots on the ground mean 4 more years.
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » No. Trump is toast if he goes to war. His base (his actual base not the general republican base) is anti war. He was reminded of this when he watched Tucker Carlson last week.
Fiery mutant wrote: » It's very hard to read this thread. The amount of bollix spoken is unbelievable. Strangle enough, the only people mentioning war, are the apparently anti-war brigade.
Manic Moran wrote: » After the Iranian Navy got fairly much removed from the Gulf in the 1988 by the US Navy, there seemed to have been no particular repercussions. Except for the tanker war stopping. That's not to say Iran couldn't make life very miserable for the US in Iraq or Afghanistan. Or perhaps better to say more miserable, nobody thinks they're not involved. It's interesting to note that the various official briefings are drawing a distinction between the IRGC and the Iranian Army. It's often "IRGC missile" and "IRGC Boat" instead of a simple "Iranian". I submit that this is not accidental and is part of a strategy to limit expansion.
Atoms for Peace wrote: » A war with Iran whould be absolutely insane. The result could be a broad sectarian war between shia and Sunni islam.
ArchXStanton wrote: » Let's see we have a country with a long history of false flags and lies to start wars, invade, kill thousands, WMDs, gulf of Tonkin etc etc. and now we're expected to believe this horsesh!te, yep I'd say its very relevant considering the many lives that could be lost, US propaganda is not as effective as it used to be... With good reason
The Late Late Show wrote: » Modern America is a mess and hasn't learned a thing from its dodgy wars like Vietnam and Iraq. The 2018-2019 version of the American government is one of the very worst ever with idiots like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo in it who are not very different to those Gilead guys in The Handmaid's Tale.
Look at Saudi Arabia no Christian churches, Jewish temple's or Buddihst center's
smurfjed wrote: » Are there Saudi citizens who follow these religions and need a place or worship ?
Hedgelayer wrote: » A lot of people are unaware of the differences and hostility between Shia and Sunni Islam. I often mentioned it here and people seem to be clueless about it. The Sunni's are way more hostile than the Shias, most of the terrorists are Sunni's Shia Islam has its fault's but they're more tolerant than the Sunni's. Look at Saudi Arabia no Christian churches, Jewish temple's or Buddihst center's, as for Iran there's plenty of diversity of religion. Although Shia Islam is the most prominent. They understand the part of the Koran which allows people of the abrahamic book to worship the abrahamic God... As for Saudi it's all wahabism...but yet the Shias are tarred with a hotter brush.. And no way would the Iranian Shias work with the Sunni terrorist's... they hate each other...
kildare lad wrote: » 14 out of the 17 hijackers who flew into the world trade centre were Saudis and it was funded by bin Laden who was also a saudi . Yet america in their infinite wisdom decided to invade Iraq
Gatling wrote: » Where else have they invaded
Gatling wrote: » But I've regularly come across posts where people point to Afghanistan and look what America did in Afghanistan and America destabilised Afghanistan which was a ****ahole when the Russians decided communism was to be installed on the people of Afghanistan , A very forward country at the time , university education was standard , women dressed Western styles ,a huge amount of the worlds fruit and nuts were grown and produced in Afghanistan, But some how its all Americas fault ,
Steyr 556 wrote: » I have trouble reading your post, are you saying it was the USSR's fault that a moderate and secular Afghanistan which promoted education and women's rights failed? The USSR is guilty of many, many things but it was the US, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan which supported the Mujhadeen and eventually the Taliban.
Steyr 556 wrote: » I have trouble reading your post, are you saying it was the USSR's fault that a moderate and secular Afghanistan which promoted education and women's rights failed? The USSR is guilty of many, many things but
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » Yes. The Soviets had no right to invade but it was the US support for Afghanistan
Gatling wrote: » Yeah the support for Afghanis to defend themselves against over whelming russian fire power and chemical weapons deployed against unarmed civilians . But wait it's America's fault .......
Gatling wrote: » If you don't know what your talking about maybe consider stopping . Case and point in the opening lines of your post
