deandean wrote: » Sorry but I don't like unreserved apologies 30+ years after the fact, by people who had nothing to do with it. They tend to cost me, the taxpayer, a lot of money.
Mortelaro wrote: » To be fair sexual morality would have been expected in the Gardaí at the time and obviously scruples of the highest order in terms of who the members were and what they stood for The fact that cancelling speeding fines and similar (the corruption you're referring to) was exposed and dealt with and officers exposing it and related issues vilified is irrelevant to this debate because at the time and up to today that was an acceptable norm in society (albeit the vilification in exposed) Having babies outside of wedlock or divorce was still frowned upon by the majority even if methods of dealing with it were swept under the carpet A certain amount of the blame for the problem has to be laid at the general population and in some cases all of it in my opinion
Yurt! wrote: » The instinct in Ireland (particularly in the public sector and state agencies) is to protect the institution at all costs. Bullying, sexual harassment, corrupt behaviour - above all, sweep it under the carpet and protect the institution. And the conceit is that the higher up the totem pole you are the more you are the institution, and the interests of you as an individual and the organization are one and the same. Really, they're just saving their own skin. The way this woman was treated was beyond appalling.
Jupiter Mulligan wrote: » Listening to her whining on Sean O'Rourke (RTE1 ) a few minutes ago, it appears that she wants everyone who was around in 1984 to grovel at her feet. Evidently, she has decided that she is Ireland's national martyr - Macroom's very own Joan of Arc.
Jupiter Mulligan wrote: » The dogs bark, the caravan moves on.
mariaalice wrote: » You are mixing up official Ireland and unofficial Ireland, I had no problem getting contraceptives in Ireland in the very early 1980s it was not an issue for the majority of people. Things were changing by then, an example from Limerick In 1975 Kemmy founded the Limerick Family Planning Clinic. At the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kemmy. Having said that the very early1980s were probably the last gasb of a powerful Catholic church in Ireland.
Yurt! wrote: » Michael Noonan, quite rightly, being thrown under the bus here. As I said in the above post, protect the institution (re: the pension), fe*k the mission of the institution. Disgusting.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Some of the posts though..seems a certain faction still think or wish we were back in that cruel horrible Ireland of old. No empathy at all lads no?
riemann wrote: » Listened to her on the radio yet again there. After spending her life in an industrial school as her father was unable to provide for his children as a single parent, you would assume she was aware of the challenges ahead. This whole story is very odd. Is is part of the anti abortion agenda? Or anti Gardai? She said this morning she was badly beaten while in the school by a nun, yet she isn't looking for an apology from them?
skooterblue2 wrote: » Hey she knew the rules. she chose her play and she cant complain because she didnt like how it turned out. She have several different options and she chose her own path career first and screw the child. She could have had her cake and ate it by marrying the guy, repeating the year and still having her career. Before anyone one says "she didnt want to marry him". If he was good enough to be let into the sack he was good enough for the marriage bed. Get over it.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Skooterblue2. You’re not a bike cop by any chance are you?
skooterblue2 wrote: » Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Some of the posts though..seems a certain faction still think or wish we were back in that cruel horrible Ireland of old. No empathy at all lads no? Hey she knew the rules. she chose her play and she cant complain because she didnt like how it turned out. She have several different options and she chose her own path career first and screw the child. She could have had her cake and ate it by marrying the guy, repeating the year and still having her career. Before anyone one says "she didnt want to marry him". If he was good enough to be let into the sack he was good enough for the marriage bed. Get over it.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » You clearly didn’t listen to the doc or the interview. She was forced to give up the baby and hassled and threatened by higher ups for years after the event in the job. But by all means continue with the uninformed nonsense
Jupiter Mulligan wrote: » Sorry, but I'm not a remedial teacher. Ask an adult.
skooterblue2 wrote: » I haven't seen nor heard it as I neither watch or listen to RTE Radio or TV.
Sardonicat wrote: » Keeping yourself pure for the wedding night, are you?
skooterblue2 wrote: » Before anyone one says "she didnt want to marry him". If he was good enough to be let into the sack he was good enough for the marriage bed. Get over it.
Mrsmum wrote: » So her choices were 1) get married and keep child, would she still be able to keep career ? 2) keep child and leave job 3) keep job Aren't they the same choices endless women made, why is this so different ?
BattleCorp wrote: » I think the whole point is that she shouldn't have been forced to make such a choice. Ireland was a really a backwards place. I'm surprised that this happened in the 80's. I thought we were a little more enlightened by then.
Muahahaha wrote: » So you havent even listened to the documentary yet from the alter of your own ignorance you make judgements on others, well done on that Now you're sounding like a 1950s priest
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » There isn’t one person alive or dead in this country that came through under nuns or Christian brothers, that wasn’t hit or beaten regularly. Her story isn’t about that. It’s far more serious.
Mrsmum wrote: » elperello wrote: » There is a lot of conflation of the public and private lives of state employees in this thread. All citizens have a right to their private morality apart from their duty to the state. They don't mix well now and didn't in the past either. You are so right that they don't mix but it's just a fact they were totally entwined back then. A cousin of mine is a teacher in a small country school and she has two kids with a boyfriend. No one bats an eyelid (or if they do they keep it to themselves.) In the 80s she would have been out on her ear. Judging those times from where we are now would be like dropping a modern person back them. You can't mix the two imo.
elperello wrote: » There is a lot of conflation of the public and private lives of state employees in this thread. All citizens have a right to their private morality apart from their duty to the state. They don't mix well now and didn't in the past either.
skooterblue2 wrote: » Sardonicat wrote: » Keeping yourself pure for the wedding night, are you? Getting married in September thank you. Mrs Skooter to be would love a new SMEG fridge if you are buying. We dont have any secrets or wild oats. It makes life so much easier. There will be romance, passion fun aboard our cruise ship in the Caribbean, if we get blessed with mini skooters then everything will be perfect.
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