Abortion Discussion, Part the Fourth

DubInMeath wrote: »

Yeah like letting children in it's care die from malnutrition. Exploiting the people under it's care for the financial benefit of the church, along with sexual and physical abuse.

You seem to ignore the fact that they did do these investigations and the result was to continue to lie and move abusers to other parishes while leaving them to continue to abuse children.

As you said great work by the holy.

But the standard in this country is for the institution in question to commission its own inquiry just like the National Maternity Hospital is doing. By this standard, we know that the Catholic Church is in fact a wonderful benefactor to all. The education and health care and services it provided with such love and compassion. God bless the Catholic Church.

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realitykeeper wrote: »

Not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding. The hospital is paying people to inquire. There is nothing independent about that. This `independent` report is likely to come with sugar coating a mile thick. By contrast, if the Catholic Church commissioned its own report into institutional care, we are likely to hear all about then wonderful work the Church has done, fair play to the holy.

Yeah like letting children in it's care die from malnutrition. Exploiting the people under it's care for the financial benefit of the church, along with sexual and physical abuse.

You seem to ignore the fact that they did do these investigations and the result was to continue to lie and move abusers to other parishes while leaving them to continue to abuse children.

As you said great work by the holy.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Apologies my reply fell below what it should have been.

Indeed. But being the good Christian I am, I forgive you

Cabaal wrote: »

Yes, you are very very wrong.

In case you missed it, the catholic church did plenty of its own investigations with its own people into the rape of children by its priests.
It identified the horrors carried out by the priests and nuns and then it buried the details as deep as it could, it threatened the victims and moved the abusers to other areas to abuse children once again.

The difference here is the hospital is doing an independent inquiry and the details will then be published, the parents won't be threatened and solutions will be put in place.

The report will not buried like the catholic church liked to do and it won't be a cover up like the church does either.

So yes, you are wrong. very very wrong.
:rolleyes:

Not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding. The hospital is paying people to inquire. There is nothing independent about that. This `independent` report is likely to come with sugar coating a mile thick. By contrast, if the Catholic Church commissioned its own report into institutional care, we are likely to hear all about then wonderful work the Church has done, fair play to the holy.

Bredabe wrote: »

I saw a pro life poster on one of the main arteries last night, is there another campaign?
I didn't see many of the details, but it has a red shape at the side and said something like 'love both'/'stop abortions'

I reckon so, people from the NO camp taking advantage of the fact that the population is presently annoyed with the Govt party and other politicians on various issues to promote division. I was in Dublin yesterday and saw a LIFE poster in a window of a building on Gardiner Place, didn't know the campaign had offices on the north side, thinking they were all located on Merrion Square North.

The RC church is still displaying the "Life Is From God" banner at its prayer-locations in support of the NO campaign, with at least one non-church location displaying the same banner as well.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/06/14/hail-mary-2/

Remember that time when a women had to go to the high court just so she could use contraception in catholic Ireland so she wouldn't risk her life by getting pregnant again?

Good times!

We've moved on so much and its brave women like Mary McGee who has made Ireland a better place.
I think we all often take it for granted just how good we have it being able to buy condoms etc because of the church had there way it would still be like the 1980's!

Now if only we could clear there nonsense out of our sexual education programs.

It’s been 45 years since this incredibly brave Skerries woman took on the Irish courts system to fight for her rights to use contraceptives in Ireland.

Mary McGee‘s 1973 case helped to change our laws.

Full interview with Mary and Seamus McGee in the current edition of Skerries News…The current edition is in shops later today and online now (at link below behind small paywall)

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Mod: Play nice. If you haven't anything constructively critical to say about a post kindly refrain from commenting on the poster. Thanking you.

Apologies my reply fell below what it should have been.

realitykeeper wrote: »

The National Maternity Hospital say they are commissioning an independent inquiry into what happened in the sad events that led to an unborn child being aborted because the parents had been incorrectly informed that the child had a fatal abnormality. One wonders how independent this inquiry will be given that when you commission someone to do something, you are paying their wages. Perhaps for the sake of consistency, every report into the industrial schools and Magdalene laundries should be shredded and new reports into these institutions could then be commissioned by the Catholic Church. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are very very wrong.

In case you missed it, the catholic church did plenty of its own investigations with its own people into the rape of children by its priests.
It identified the horrors carried out by the priests and nuns and then it buried the details as deep as it could, it threatened the victims and moved the abusers to other areas to abuse children once again.

The difference here is the hospital is doing an independent inquiry and the details will then be published, the parents won't be threatened and solutions will be put in place.

The report will not buried like the catholic church liked to do and it won't be a cover up like the church does either.

So yes, you are wrong. very very wrong.
:rolleyes:

Bredabe wrote: »

I saw a pro life poster on one of the main arteries last night, is there another campaign?
I didn't see many of the details, but it has a red shape at the side and said something like 'love both'/'stop abortions'

Spotted a billboard love boats poster about 2 weeks ago in Waterford when heading towards Kilkenny at the bridge,

I don't see it as unusual as pro life groups seem to have a bit of a religious zealot base in Waterford and even before the ref seeing their pro-life truck around Waterford wasn't unusual.

Didn't change the fact that the majority of Waterford don't agree with their views

Plumbthedepths

realitykeeper wrote:

Am I wrong?

Only when you use a keyboard.

Mod: Play nice. If you haven't anything constructively critical to say about a post kindly refrain from commenting on the poster. Thanking you.

amcalester

realitykeeper wrote: »

The National Maternity Hospital say they are commissioning an independent inquiry into what happened in the sad events that led to an unborn child being aborted because the parents had been incorrectly informed that the child had a fatal abnormality. One wonders how independent this inquiry will be given that when you commission someone to do something, you are paying their wages. Perhaps for the sake of consistency, every report into the industrial schools and Magdalene laundries should be shredded and new reports into these institutions could then be commissioned by the Catholic Church. Am I wrong?

As always; yes, you are wrong.

The National Maternity Hospital say they are commissioning an independent inquiry into what happened in the sad events that led to an unborn child being aborted because the parents had been incorrectly informed that the child had a fatal abnormality. One wonders how independent this inquiry will be given that when you commission someone to do something, you are paying their wages. Perhaps for the sake of consistency, every report into the industrial schools and Magdalene laundries should be shredded and new reports into these institutions could then be commissioned by the Catholic Church. Am I wrong?

Bredabe

I saw a pro life poster on one of the main arteries last night, is there another campaign?
I didn't see many of the details, but it has a red shape at the side and said something like 'love both'/'stop abortions'

Pherekydes

lazygal wrote: »

Gript is run by Tim Jackson of Youth Defence.

One of my FB friends reposts lots of Gript stuff, while complaining that FB blocks Gript shares.

You couldn't make it up...

lazygal

Gript is run by Tim Jackson of Youth Defence.

I see a sponsored page [from something using the label Gript] on F/B following this case is claiming that the couple involved have stated that the abortion was illegal. It seems to have been on F/B since yesterday, due to responses to it being a day old. The Gript scrip is 7 para's long with Peadar's statement covered in 4 of the Para's. According to the Gript script, Peadar Tóibín TD, told the Dail that he spoke with the legal Rep of the couple. In the Gript script on F/B, Peadar did not tell the Dail that the abortion was illegal nor quote the couple's legal Rep as saying so.

The Gript scrip reads that In his Dail statement, Peadar based what he told the Dail under his immunity as a TD on what he ascribed to as statements from the couple. In doing so, Peadar seems to have left the couple in legal limbo.

Igotadose wrote: »

Looks like Aontu's own Peadar Toibin's looking to exploit those poor people in their suit vs. the NMH to his own political gain. Not surprising:
https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/0612/1055002-holles-street/

Best thing for Simon Harris to do is ask the TD to go to the Gardaí with the names of the health professional he's alleging have conflict of interest or "provide" him or HIQAA with the names under Dail privilege. If he doesn't take up either option, call him out on his failure. Responses from the couple or their legal Rep to media questions may give better information.

Edit. It seems Peadar based his Dail statement covering alleged illegalities on what he claimed the couple told him so the case of Peadar making a report to anyone on said allegations won't arise as they seem to be based on 3rd party statements.

He'll say anything to further Renua 2.0 and get media attention , he's scared of his **** it'll go the way of Renua 1.0

Kidchameleon

This is getting stranger by the day

Hotblack Desiato

Some disgraceful allegations there.

Would he dare say that outside of the Dail?

Igotadose

Looks like Aontu's own Peadar Toibin's looking to exploit those poor people in their suit vs. the NMH to his own political gain. Not surprising:
https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/0612/1055002-holles-street/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XM_3zf6mPc

Igotadose wrote: »

Unfortunately, Aontu is still with us and had a few candidates elected (3 out of 53 in the locals.) And Peadar Toibin's still in the Dail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aont%C3%BA#Elections

Renue 2.0 will die off eventually,

Like Renua, Renua 2.0 was founded based on one person throwing their toys out of the pram because they didn't like women being given additional rights when it comes to abortion.

The fact that they make their pro-life stance one of their core positions as a party means the majority of the country won't agree with them especially younger voters who voted for repeal.

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Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XM_3zf6mPc

Love that film, it's one of those that keeps on giving.

Igotadose

Unfortunately, Aontu is still with us and had a few candidates elected (3 out of 53 in the locals.) And Peadar Toibin's still in the Dail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aont%C3%BA#Elections

Hotblack Desiato

Cabaal wrote: »

“Do I spent another two or three years at? I haven’t made an impression in three years. Maybe the message I have is not the change that people want,” Mr Leahy said.

Given the party's opposition to all change in Ireland including repeal of the 8th I see this as great news

:D:D:D:D

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/06/11/maybe-the-message-i-have-is-not-the-change-people-want/

John Leahy, former leader of Renua

“The background is that I was a manger over a team that prepared 3 years to for an election and we got nobody elected.

“Do I spent another two or three years at? I haven’t made an impression in three years. Maybe the message I have is not the change that people want,” Mr Leahy said.

He informed a meeting of the party’s executive last night that he intends to return to the independent ranks of Offaly County Council. He has already struck a deal to support Fianna Fáil in his local authority and will be Lea Cathaoirleach for the next 12 months.

He'll fit right in with FF though...