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How do you convince people god exists?

ILoveYourVibes

How do you in history?

And how do you do it now?

With all the evidence etc.

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magicbastarder

Larbre34 wrote: »

My answer is always, show them a photo of a Sumatran Tiger and ask them if they really believe that happened by accident.

who argues that it did happen by accident?
non-believers don't support the famous 'tornado hits a scrapyard and accidentally assembles a 747' concept.

Pherekydes

Deleted User wrote: »

Well it's being written to an agenda..
Probably sold like hot cakes amongst the Dawkins acolytes..
So, well, really, I would just disregard it tbh..

Has there been a book in history that hasn't been written to an agenda, a plan?

Well, of course you'd disregard it! Your loss.

It would have been banned by the church in an earlier time.

But agendas, sure...

Wanderer78

Nikki Sixx wrote:

For me the seasons and the way nature moves in cycles is fascinating. I find it too hard to believe that say the seasons, the way animals hibernate each year and the dependence of flowers on honey bees to complete their life cycle, is all an accident. But Iâ€™m sure Iâ€™ll be regarded as simple for saying that.

The workings of nature sure is astonishing, you d have to wonder, how the hell has all this been created here, on this little blue rock. Yup it all could be a complete fluck, are maybe not, who knows. Your thoughts are not simple at all, life on this planet, and how it all got here, is simply astonishing

uptherebels

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

For me the seasons and the way nature moves in cycles is fascinating. I find it too hard to believe that say the seasons, the way animals hibernate each year and the dependence of flowers on honey bees to complete their life cycle, is all an accident. But I’m sure I’ll be regarded as simple for saying that.

You just don't understand how evolution works.

igCorcaigh

I guess the most charitable interpretation of theism I could conceive of is a form of pantheism, whereby all is God and the evolution of the universe is the process of God becoming itself.

Although this is just a poetic form of atheism, and scientific evidence supports no form of teleology.

Still though, it might answer the question as to why bad things exist, or at least allow it not to be such a conundrum.

In this view, God is a process of becoming, not something external and omnipotent, but something much more fragile and unsure.

smacl

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

If life is so meaningless/ pointless, you could always throw yourself off a bridge.

Mod warning: Advocating suicide because someone does not share your worldview is both offensive and below the standards expected of this forum. Next time is a card

Eggs For Dinner

kneemos wrote: »

If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

Is that not what's supposed to be on offer in an afterlife? That makes the pain and suffering in this life a deliberate decision to fluck with his own creations

Nikki Sixx

For me the seasons and the way nature moves in cycles is fascinating. I find it too hard to believe that say the seasons, the way animals hibernate each year and the dependence of flowers on honey bees to complete their life cycle, is all an accident. But I’m sure I’ll be regarded as simple for saying that.

Larbre34

My answer is always, show them a photo of a Sumatran Tiger and ask them if they really believe that happened by accident.

In all seriousness, to me, Science and God are one in the same. I am not a person of much faith, I seek out proof and plausibility for almost everything, its in my nature. Man has made great sense of his universe through repeatable demonstration. However the science is always finite, the physics of all creation, at least insofar as we understand it now, has dead ends, horizons beyond which we really have no clue.

Did the matter of all things blink into being, was it created from a previous destruction and if so what in turn inspired that into existence.

I'm no bible basher, it was written by flawed sinners that men are and it was aimed at a the simple and illiterate civilisation of the time, then picked apart and reformed by Councils of further flawed sinners in later eras to suit their own agendas and to control people. It may have been inspired by tales of good and kind people but really you could never take it as Gospel....

Stephen Hawking said he believed the Universe spontaneously created out of nothing, from a point of singularity, according to the laws of nature that are fixed. His dismissal of a Creator is based on his hypothesis that there was absolutely nothing, even time, before this event and so there was not 'time' for God to exist.

All I sense from that was a frustration at reaching the limit of knowledge, of understanding, but since I first read him I have always wondered, with that conclusion, who was the Professor trying to convince, others or himself....

Nobelium

How do you convince people God exists?

You don't.

Even if God genuinely appeared in front of me, and created planets on the spot for me, it wouldn't be proof he was in fact God. . . it could just be an extremely advanced alien being. There will always be some other possible explanation.

What makes God . . . God ?

Faith I presume ?

pauldla

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There are no atheists in foxholes.

For your consideration:

http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/

(Ah, I see that donspeekinglesh has beaten me to it).

kneemos

No harm to have an open mind,unless you believe everything we know is all there is to know.

To be rather aggressively cock sure that God doesn't exist just has a hint of a teenage rebellious tantrum.

[Deleted User]

Well it's being written to an agenda..
Probably sold like hot cakes amongst the Dawkins acolytes..
So, well, really, I would just disregard it tbh..

Pherekydes

Deleted User wrote: »

First line of the first review I found of it..

Catherine Nixey cherry-picks historical evidence in her unevenly researched book The Darkening Age.

Well, duh. How big would a history book be if it included everything in history?

Every defender of the church cherry picks history to their heart's content.

Is any of her book untrue?

Extremely damning of the church. Some of their tactics were still being used when I was in school.

"Read this, not that..."

Cherry picking the Bible.

But, yeah, cherry picking...:rolleyes:

olestoepoke

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

Just remember the take three hits of the DMT, the third one is crucial apparently. Well from what I’ve heard on Joe Rogan, the d.m.t. experience is much more trippy than an n.d.e. People who have died and come back have been shown every year of their life and the good and bad they have carried out. A bit different to talking to a psychedelic looking pink alien.

I haven't had the pleasure of either experience so can't speculate

Nikki Sixx

olestoepoke wrote: »

The brain releases doses of DMT from the pineal gland in times of severe stress. When we are born, when we almost die and probably when we die. This is the spirit molecule, probably what aids dreaming. Most everyone that has smoked DMT reports talking to beings or entities and feeling overwhelming love. Bright lights etc. Sound familiar?

Just remember the take three hits of the DMT, the third one is crucial apparently. Well from what I’ve heard on Joe Rogan, the d.m.t. experience is much more trippy than an n.d.e. People who have died and come back have been shown every year of their life and the good and bad they have carried out. A bit different to talking to a psychedelic looking pink alien.

rosmoke

Find a way to lower someone's IQ.

[Deleted User]

Pherekydes wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..

You should read "The Darkening Age". The early Christian Church literally bullied, beat, stabbed and burnt the intellectual curiosity out of Europe. The only way it could propagate itself.

But it's the One True Religion!

First line of the first review I found of it..

Catherine Nixey cherry-picks historical evidence in her unevenly researched book The Darkening Age.

Pherekydes

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

If life is so meaningless/ pointless, you could always throw yourself off a bridge.

The good Christian response!

Meaning is what you make it yourself. Make it good, because there's no after-life.

olestoepoke

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes..we get it.. you watched the spirit molecule..

Theres a movie? whoohoo

[Deleted User]

Yes..we get it.. you watched the spirit molecule..

Pherekydes

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah..and it's all ill thought out 2 dimensional understanding, and thinking they're always right..

I feel this thread would have been a lot better off being left in AH..
Now you'll just get a load of atheists coming in with quips and a misplaced air of intellectual superiority..

You should read "The Darkening Age". The early Christian Church literally bullied, beat, stabbed and burnt the intellectual curiosity out of Europe. The only way it could propagate itself.

But it's the One True Religion!

olestoepoke

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

You could show them near death experience videos on YouTube. You will even find hardened criminals, who following their n.d.e. became preachers.

The brain releases doses of DMT from the pineal gland in times of severe stress. When we are born, when we almost die and probably when we die. This is the spirit molecule, probably what aids dreaming. Most everyone that has smoked DMT reports talking to beings or entities and feeling overwhelming love. Bright lights etc. Sound familiar?

Nikki Sixx

Pherekydes wrote: »

But, but there's a pretty flower! God did it!

Not half as simplistic, eh?

Now here's a 2 year-old with leukemia. God has a different plan...

If life is so meaningless/ pointless, you could always throw yourself off a bridge.

[Deleted User]

olestoepoke wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Ooohhh.. How cutting edge..

Is that a typo? Did you mean "Cutting hedge"?

Touche..

Pherekydes

kneemos wrote: »

With all due respect the height of critical thinking I've ever heard from an atheist is I can't see him therefore he doesn't exist.

Their arguments have always struck me as basic and rather childish.

But, but there's a pretty flower! God did it!

Not half as simplistic, eh?

Now here's a 2 year-old with leukemia. God has a different plan...

Nikki Sixx

You could show them near death experience videos on YouTube. You will even find hardened criminals, who following their n.d.e. became preachers.

Dexter2019

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

How do you in history?

And how do you do it now?

With all the evidence etc.

Where is this God?

olestoepoke

Deleted User wrote: »

Ooohhh.. How cutting edge..

Is that a typo? Did you mean "Cutting hedge"?

[Deleted User]

olestoepoke wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Shur Moses saw him in the burning bush that time..

There is a theory that Moses got high on DMT from the burning bush and saw "God"

Ooohhh.. How cutting edge..