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How do you convince people god exists?

ILoveYourVibes

How do you in history?

And how do you do it now?

With all the evidence etc.

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kneemos

odyssey06 wrote: »

Impossible... for an omnipotent super being? Why do we need a world at all? Let's go straight to the Utopia phase.

You'd know the meaning of life.

kneemos

kowloon wrote: »

So God is bound by natural laws that he's also credited with creating in the first place?

Well heaven is supposedly a utopia.

odyssey06

Deleted User wrote: »

So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..

Have you taken antibiotics, or any prescription medicines? Come back to me and talk about blind faith when god saves your life, as opposed to the trained scientists who made the life saving medicine.

odyssey06

kneemos wrote: »

If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

Impossible... for an omnipotent super being? Why do we need a world at all? Let's go straight to the Utopia phase.

gctest50

kneemos wrote: »

If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

There ain't any god

Look at this and tell me there is :

( Warning 4 year old with neuroblastoma )

https://imgur.com/ugnYTVh

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kowloon

kneemos wrote: »

If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

So God is bound by natural laws that he's also credited with creating in the first place?

[Deleted User]

But like, even with the more out there chaotic mathematics for instance.. there's a beauty to it that would suggest a divine creator behind it..

who was it that said (I'm paraphrasing)..

'When you take a sip from the cup of science you may be an atheist, but when you finish it, there is God looking back at you from the bottom of the cup..'

kneemos

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

I've battled with belief for a long time, having been brought up to accept the norm. However, over the last few years, I've come to the conclusion that a loving God could not let this happen, so I'm out.

If a God didn't allow cancer you'd say why is there starvation? Get rid of starvation you say why do folk fall down stairs,etc,etc,etc.

What you're talking about is an impossible utopia where the ultimate logical conclusion is a world where everyone lives the same perfect pain and trouble free life.

kowloon

Deleted User wrote: »

So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..

The problem being there's just too much for any one person to understand it all, and it's only going to get worse.

[Deleted User]

So much of most people's belief in science is based on blind faith too though..

kowloon

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbh I think the whole atheist trend that is happening now will turn out to be just a phase we go through..

So much of it is like listening to a disgruntled 15 year old..

Religion is constantly on the defensive, being pushed back by science. But that is in turn under fire by every bull**** movement be they anti-vaxxers, creationists, flat earthers etc. It's a pity we have to share the one planet with them.

Eggs For Dinner

Peatys wrote: »

Childhood cancer is all i need to know about your god

I've battled with belief for a long time, having been brought up to accept the norm. However, over the last few years, I've come to the conclusion that a loving God could not let this happen, so I'm out.

gctest50

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There are no atheists in foxholes.

That's at best the usual bulls!t to scare people

The Christians probably got that from Adolf

Adolf Hitler, Bavaria, 1936:

Man cannot exist without belief in God. The soldier who for three and four days lies under intense bombardment needs a religious prop.

since they were so close like :

https://imgur.com/2y2aN22

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Capt'n Midnight

There are no atheists in foxholes.

Beasty

Simply show proof. In this case I've never been presented with any proof and hence am not convinced

IAMAMORON

I think if you start a subservant revolutionary movement that operates in direct opposition to the established morals and existing prevalent religious beliefs, you have a chance.

Start by ridiculing all the 3000 odd existing established religions around the world. Tell them all they have got it wrong and that you have it right and that god exists.

Easy.

[Deleted User]

bnt wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, but, so much of the whole atheist world view is based on a moral philosophy that is Christian really.. like, really, what is to say that killing someone is wrong, really?..many other cultures didn't view it as such..

That's back-to-front: common sense ethics existed before the invention of Judeo-Christian religions, and they became associated with Christianity in countries where that was the majority religion. In England, the Church of England was at the centre of local social life, and you would hear someone called "a good Christian" when he or she was simply a good person - regardless of what he or she actually believed. In Muslim countries, a good person is "a good Muslim".

They didn't though..

bnt

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, but, so much of the whole atheist world view is based on a moral philosophy that is Christian really.. like, really, what is to say that killing someone is wrong, really?..many other cultures didn't view it as such..

That's back-to-front: common sense ethics existed before the invention of Judeo-Christian religions, and they became associated with Christianity in countries where that was the majority religion. In England, the Church of England was at the centre of local social life, and you would hear someone called "a good Christian" when he or she was simply a good person - regardless of what he or she actually believed. In Muslim countries, a good person is "a good Muslim".

[Deleted User]

Ah, but, so much of the whole atheist world view is based on a moral philosophy that is Christian really.. like, really, what is to say that killing someone is wrong, really?..many other cultures didn't view it as such..

bnt

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbh I think the whole atheist trend that is happening now will turn out to be just a phase we go through..

So much of it is like listening to a disgruntled 15 year old..

Don’t shoot the messenger: even if Christians are nicer than atheists (which is debatable), does that mean Christianity is more likely to be true?

Imagine being a member of a tribe wandering in the desert, thousands of years ago. Some weird, scary stuff happens e.g the Sun goes dark during the day, or one of your goats is killed by lightning. Who did that? How do we make it stop? Will it help to offer sacrifices to... whatever that powerful being is? Do we have to say certain things at certain times?

the culture of deference

donkeykong5 wrote: »

I was bought up a catholic and my children were therefore catholic as well. However when the Brendan Smith story broke I told them that there was no need for them to attend mass ever again if they didnt want to. They were delighted. However 2 of them would still go to mass now and again. Myself....well if I didnt get mass on a Saturday night I dont feel right. So each to their own I feel.

this is why religion still exists

you ignore the history of the churches depravity from 2nd century and still support them

donkeykong5

I was bought up a catholic and my children were therefore catholic as well. However when the Brendan Smith story broke I told them that there was no need for them to attend mass ever again if they didnt want to. They were delighted. However 2 of them would still go to mass now and again. Myself....well if I didnt get mass on a Saturday night I dont feel right. So each to their own I feel.

Zaph

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I think real belief is very personal.

If that's the case how could you convince someone that god exists?

o1s1n

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tbh I think the whole atheist trend that is happening now will turn out to be just a phase we go through..

So much of it is like listening to a disgruntled 15 year old..

Back to the dark ages instead? No thanks.

CPTM

You leave behind the idea that God has a conscience. That's where it all went wrong. Originally God was the Sun, the rain, which had good days and bad days. Praying was basically meditation, people reminding themselves that good days always come, which gave them hope. Nowadays, people think praying is where you ask a BeeGees lookalike for something, and you get it if you are nice enough. No room for that in today's logical world.

Instead, religion should go back to the roots. Connecting ourselves to the forces at play which are greater than us. The constantly moving job economy for example is a higher power which we could "pray to", meaning when we're having a bad day at work, we can connect ourselves to that notion that new jobs are always being created and if we focus on being good people, it will come to us eventually. Why does religion and praying have to be more complicated than that? It's all about hope at the end of the day.

Wanderer2010

OP you cant make anyone do anything and certainly their personal religious belief is a very ingrained and indeed personal thing not likely to change from badgering or bullying or even presenting calmly a different point of view. I was a typical Catholic growing up but I rejected the teachings of the church as they just had no place in a society where people should be whatever they want to be, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. The whole hierarchy of the church just reeked of control and hypocrisy.

I don't think this world and this life of ours is for nothing, I just find that impossible to accept that we could be just here, live our lives and then that's it forever and ever. There has to be something after this, but as for what it is I just don't know. Im in that stubborn but yet to be defined "not religious but spiritual" category.

Pauliedragon

the culture of deference wrote: »

And what format are you in? dust .... speckles ... invisible stuff

Religions are complete shyte

I'm Agnostic but if people want to believe in one ideal or another it doesn't bother me as long as they don't try to ram it down my throat. So what if someone believes in something I don't necessarily believe in its their business not mine.

[Deleted User]

Tbh I think the whole atheist trend that is happening now will turn out to be just a phase we go through..

So much of it is like listening to a disgruntled 15 year old..

y0ssar1an22

I suppose its up to yourself. do you believe that after you die, thats it. your existence is gone forever, or if there's something bigger out there that we call god.
i dunno. its a weird thought and kinda depressing that when you die thats it, snuffed out, extinguished for the rest of time.

kneemos

Don't think it's that far fetched,given the existence of the universe a God isn't really any more bizzare.

Religion though is mostly a croc of shoite.