Man went to gardaí to complain over quality of his drugs

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They are still collectively called junkies, imo all users of illegal drugs are junkies. I get it, you don't like me using that word because you probably do/have smoked some yourself and believe that because you use at recreational level it makes you better than the poor saps who are off their faces everyday around the city from either heroin or prescription pills.

if cannabis were legalised would users still be junkies? or is it the illegality that makes them junkies? are weed smokers in Colorado junkies?

Zorya

Am sure the story is interesting but I can't get past the name Crusty Jocks. Eww.

FTA69

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They are still collectively called junkies, imo all users of illegal drugs are junkies. I get it, you don't like me using that word because you probably do/have smoked some yourself and believe that because you use at recreational level it makes you better than the poor saps who are off their faces everyday around the city from either heroin or prescription pills.

What in the name of God are you on about? So someone who smokes cannabis occasionally is a “junkie”?

Junkie is a term used for people chronically addicted to smack, opiates and that family of drugs. It isn’t a catch all for anyone and everyone who might dabble in drug use.

suicide_circus wrote: »

if cannabis were legalised would users still be junkies? or is it the illegality that makes them junkies? are weed smokers in Colorado junkies?

What part of this did you not get?

all users of illegal drugs are junkies.

Kivaro

Is the guy smoking a joint outside the courthouse?

Albeit an amusing story, it highlights issues that we have in the Irish legal system.
I presume that we (tax payers) are paying for his defence solicitor Anne Fitzgibbon. She said that the Malawian was suitable for community service, however the "only problem" to that was the issuing of an order for him to leave Ireland by June 22 or present for deportation on June 26. She is (almost) suggesting that we should bypass the deportation order so that he can serve community service in Ireland.

Another issue that I have with Ms Fitzgibbon is that she explained to the court that Liwembe had been concerned that the cannabis he had bought "could be detrimental to other people's health".
Let me ask you; do you think that the Malawian thought up of this excuse by himself, or did she come up with this story and encouraged him to lie about the true nature of his visit to the Garda station (i.e. he thought he got ripped off on the purchase of his drugs)? If she concocted this story, then is she herself breaking the law?
He also has history of trespassing on private property, so why is he still in the country? Oh yeah, his solicitor said that he "might" appeal deportation, as he now wants to stay in Ireland.

This case is a prime example of a dysfunctional asylum/deportation system and the corresponding financial benefits that the malfunctioning system brings to the legal profession in Ireland.

FTA69

Lol so if I smoke a joint in London I’m a “junkie” and if I smoke a joint in Amsterdam 40mins away then I’m grand?

The term applies to people with addiction to opiates, you must be naive as anything.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What part of this did you not get?

but users of legal drugs are not. so if heroin was legalised heroin addicts would not be junkies. got it.

Kivaro wrote: »

Is the guy smoking a joint outside the courthouse?

Albeit an amusing story, it highlights issues that we have in the Irish legal system.
I presume that we (tax payers) are paying for his defence solicitor Anne Fitzgibbon. She said that the Malawian was suitable for community service, however the "only problem" to that was the issuing of an order for him to leave Ireland by June 22 or present for deportation on June 26. She is (almost) suggesting that we should bypass the deportation order so that he can serve community service in Ireland.

Another issue that I have with Ms Fitzgibbon is that she explained to the court that Liwembe had been concerned that the cannabis he had bought "could be detrimental to other people's health".
Let me ask you; do you think that the Malawian thought up of this excuse by himself, or did she come up with this story and encouraged him to lie about the true nature of his visit to the Garda station (i.e. he thought he got ripped off on the purchase of his drugs)? If she concocted this story, then is she herself breaking the law?
He also has history of trespassing on private property, so why is he still in the country? Oh yeah, his solicitor said that he "might" appeal deportation, as he now wants to stay in Ireland.

This case is a prime example of a dysfunctional asylum/deportation system and the corresponding financial benefits that the malfunctioning system brings to the legal profession in Ireland.

nail on head. this is an attempt to delay his deportation, nothing else.

Ulysses Gaze

suicide_circus wrote: »

nail on head. this is an attempt to delay his deportation, nothing else.

Sure why would we deport him?

It's guys like this that we need to pay our pensions in the future....

So I've been told....

Bobby Baccala

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What part of this did you not get?

Can you not just accept that you've been misusing the word junkie? Why not go full soccer mom and just call them all druggies?

Kivaro

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Sure why would we deport him?

It's guys like this that we need to pay our pensions in the future....

So I've been told....

Guys like this is the reason why many of us will have to work well into our pensionable years in order to pay for his housing, healthcare costs, welfare payments, medical card, free travel, fuel allowance and finally his non-contributory pension. And multiply that by a few dozen when he applies for family reunification of his "relatives" in Malawi.

Coveney, Varadkar, and Zappone want to accomplish their goal of an extra million people in Ireland by any means necessary.
And it will also achieve Coveney's goal of diversity in every village and town in Ireland. As long as the optics is there in the achievement of the goal, the quality of the diversity doesn't matter. It's diversity for diversity's sake.

KikiLaRue

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

They are still collectively called junkies, imo all users of illegal drugs are junkies. I get it, you don't like me using that word because you probably do/have smoked some yourself and believe that because you use at recreational level it makes you better than the poor saps who are off their faces everyday around the city from either heroin or prescription pills.

Prescription drugs are legal, so according to you someone who is off their heads on prescription pills is not actually a junkie.

You’re using the word wrong.

You can have your own opinion on what the word means, but you’re still wrong. I can choose to believe that if I only eat fish I’m a vegetarian but I’d be wrong. I can choose to say it’s a bright sunny day out when it’s pissing down.

Say whatever you want, just know that by refusing to admit you misunderstood how that word is used, you look increasingly silly.

mikhail

I've added Timberrrr to my ignore list. In my book, that makes him a junkie, and that's all that matters.

topper75

I think Ireland needs fewer of this type of individual, certainly not more.

My opinion does not leave people with a happy feeling though, and is therefore less and less popular these days.

If Irish people were not very excited about shouldering banking debt, they will be more than blasé about paying for him.

It is so easy to enter Ireland and stay via a fraudulent asylum claim. Deportation orders tend to be ignored.

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Can you not just accept that you've been misusing the word junkie? Why not go full soccer mom and just call them all druggies?

I haven't

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/junkie

someone who cannot stop taking illegal drugs

someone who wants to have or do something all the time:

I feel the same way about alcohol. Have a few pints at the weekend? Grand so.

Have a few pints or a bottle of wine every night? Imo you're an alcoholic.

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Prescription drugs are legal, so according to you someone who is off their heads on prescription pills is not actually a junkie.

You’re using the word wrong.

Using prescription drugs that are prescribed to you is fine, buying prescription drugs from dealers tobget high makes you a junkie.

You can have your own opinion on what the word means, but you’re still wrong. I can choose to believe that if I only eat fish I’m a vegetarian but I’d be wrong. I can choose to say it’s a bright sunny day out when it’s pissing down.

Say whatever you want, just know that by refusing to admit you misunderstood how that word is used, you look increasingly silly.

I'm not misusing the word, people who use illegal drugs like the man in the article don't like me using the word.

Big difference.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I feel the same way about alcohol. Have a few pints at the weekend? Grand so.

Have a few pints or a bottle of wine every night? Imo you're an alcoholic.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

all users of illegal drugs are junkies.

So which is it? You're contradicting yourself all over the shop here. It's either everyone, or only "People who cannot stop taking illegal drugs"?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So which is it? You're contradicting yourself all over the shop here. It's either everyone, or only "People who cannot stop taking illegal drugs"?

How is it a contradiction?

The Bishop Basher

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'm not misusing the word

You are.

Much as in the same way people without any experience sometimes call cannabis “gear”.

It’s not. Gear is heroin.

You’re perfectly entitled to label people who consume marajuana as “junkies” if you wish but it’s not the correct use of the word no matter how much you claim it to be.

It’s just a poorly disguised attempt at denigrating anyone who enjoys a toke but given that it will be decriminalized at some point in the not too distant future, your arguments are all a bit moot.

Rennaws wrote: »

You are.

Much as in the same way people without any experience sometimes call cannabis “gear”.

It’s not. Gear is heroin.

You’re perfectly entitled to label people who consume marajuana as “junkies” if you wish but it’s not the correct use of the word no matter how much you claim it to be.

It’s just a poorly disguised attempt at denigrating anyone who enjoys a toke but given that it will be decriminalized at some point in the not too distant future, your arguments are all a bit moot.

I'll go with the dictionaries description of the word over some random person on here. You may not like the description but that doesnt mean it's wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMV2tfk3PXQ

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How is it a contradiction?

You said "all users" of a drug are junkies, then linked to a definition which stated "people who cannot stop". So is it everyone, or just those with a habit?

Similarly, if you go out for a few pints of a weekend you're a dipso, going by your first definition.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'll go with the dictionaries description of the word over some random person on here. You may not like the description but that doesnt mean it's wrong.

the dictionary definition of junkie is a drug ADDICT. You call all users junkies wether addicted or not so youre not sticking to the dictionary definition.

FTA69

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'll go with the dictionaries description of the word over some random person on here. You may not like the description but that doesnt mean it's wrong.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/junkie

“A drug addict, especially someone addicted to heroin”

Not every user of illegal drugs is an addict. You’re just digging in now and being deliberately obtuse because you’ve been caught out waffling.

Story of boards.ie in a nutshell.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You said "all users" of a drug are junkies, then linked to a definition which stated "people who cannot stop". So is it everyone, or just those with a habit?

Wrong! I said

all users of illegal drugs are junkies.

Similarly, if you go out for a few pints of a weekend you're a dipso, going by your first definition.

Again wrong!

Couple of pints at the weekend is fine

Pints/wine every night is imo an alcoholic.

Cordell

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. In my opinion he is a junkie.

Your opinion is in direct conflict with the definition, but that's ok, since you're entitled to your opinion then your opinion and the actual definition are both equally true and perfectly valid.
That's one of the things that are so wrong today, but that's ok.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wrong! I said

Again wrong!

Couple of pints at the weekend is fine

Pints/wine every night is imo an alcoholic.

Now you're just being pedantic, I am, of course, talking about illegal drugs here......but you knew that.

So, to make it absolutely clear here......all users of an illegal drug are junkies, but all users of a legal drug (such as alcohol) are not alcos.....correct?

Also, you didn't address the part where the definition you provided makes the distinction between all users and those who cannot stop. Would you care to explain that?

Odyssey 2005

I'd have to say that there didn't seem to be anything wrong with the quality of his drugs.:)

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/junkie

suicide_circus wrote: »

the dictionary definition of junkie is a drug ADDICT. You call all users junkies wether addicted or not so youre not sticking to the dictionary definition.

person with a compulsive habit or obsessive dependency on something.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/junkie

someone who cannot stop taking illegal drugs

someone who wants to have or do something all the time

Not all dictionaries agree with you, as i said previously it seems a lot of people have an issue with the word becaise they themselves may partake in a bit of illegal drug use themselves.

In my opinion anyone who uses illegal drugs are junkies, this may not be to everyones liking but it's my personal opinion that i am entitled to hold.