Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Who said anything about browbeating or forcing anyone? As if that would work. It wouldn’t. There is any amount of ways to rebrand it and make people want to engage though. The impetus just isn’t there.
BarryD2 wrote: » I've wondered if a modern Irish speaker met a native speaker from say the 18th century, would they be able to converse at all meaningfully? Even now, there are differences in vocabulary between Ulster, Connacht and Munster Irish and then there's the official version. The whole area is full of contradictions but I suppose such is life.
janfebmar wrote: » It's an ugly dead language and a waste if taxpayers money.
Upforthematch wrote: » Ever hear of first mover advantage? You're right it doesn't matter as much today but it undoubtedly did in the past. Speaking English has helped Irish people make a living for over 150 years - outside of Ireland in particular. I don't think we realise just how important that diaspora (particularly in USA) has been for us economically and politically. It has helped prosperity in Ireland also, not singlehandedly but in combination with other factors, particularly in more recent decades. We can't ignore that the shift in the mother tongue was - for the most part - a pragmatic and incentivised choice, not a violent struggle. Ní bheathaíonn na briathra na bráithre as they say.
Das Reich wrote: » I doubt is ugly or hard to learn as some people here say, English is both of them.
Reati wrote: » Speaking English actually doesn't mean much anymore because a huge number of people speak it.
Greyfox wrote: » It's still far better then having someone who is only fluent in Irish
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Colonization and its affects, is never a choice.
Upforthematch wrote: » The one and only English Pope Adrian IV invited the English to sojourn in Ireland in 1156. It was a long time after that English become the mother tongue for most of us!
It is believed that Irish remained the majority tongue as late as 1800[18] but became a minority language during the 19th century.[19
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » It teach so bad in school it need change radical. Drop all the poetry and write grammar and tenses sh!te and focus to teach how to speak proper and communicate effective... You get my drift? The educational system manages to teach grammar, cases and tenses very well in other languages. There is nothing particularly difficult about Irish grammar or its verbs.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Lets not forget English is a mongrel language and relatively young and mutated really quickly into its current form. It’s being abandoned by youth of today who seem to speak in emojis and have abysmal spelling and grammar when they do try to use it
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Lets not attack English. Its as lovely as any language. And emojis are kind of like Egyptian hieroglyphs. Chinese characters evolved from symbols like emojis.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Though they actively wiped out the Irish language here and punished anyone using it.
Upforthematch wrote: » And punished the Welsh... and Scots as well probably.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not Look at the history of the French language - not everyone was speaking 'Parisian' in France either. Punishment often equalled death in those times. The Maam Trasna murder case is one example of where an Irish speaker was wronged by an English speaking system:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maolra_Seoighe There weren't thousands of such cases though as you would expect if there was an "active wipeout'. The English language programme in Ireland in 19th century did have many native sympathisers.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Well it went from hanging up to the softer feeding people if they anglicised their names. The infamous ‘yis took the spud’ slur that survives to this day
whisky_galore wrote: » Along with countless other outdated and usually inaccurate slurs unfortunately.
BarryD2 wrote: » Christian Brother type historical hogwash! There's a world of difference between bringing in notional laws and implementing them. Irish people moved to speaking English for the same practical & economic reasons that pertains right across the world to this very day.
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » The economic and political reasons were the result of colonialism of course, without the British empire it wouldn’t have been practical.
_blaaz wrote: » Orally its not a particularly difficult language to master Dont see whats wrong with aspiring to have large% of population fluent in it?
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I never found Irish easy. And it wasn’t because I was weak at learning languages generally. I was a good French student. But Irish just alluded me. I never found it easy or even interesting. I would gladly have jettisoned it as a subject if I could have.
facehugger99 wrote: » Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff. It's quite easy if you know the right professionals and I would encourage any parent who values their child's education to do the same.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » That brings up the main problem. Application. We none of us have any need to know it and use it. There’s the huge breach in it being of any practical use. Handy to know French in France. Etc Really no need in Ireland. It’s a bummer *i say that being doubly depressed as someone who has friends here who can speak fluent Sindarin and Klingon.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » That brings up the main problem. Application. We none of us have any need to know it and use it. There’s the huge breach in it being of any practical use. Handy to know French in France. Etc Really no need in Ireland. It’s a bummer.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » It’s not even that. I just didn’t like it as a subject. Like others don’t like maths or history or whatever.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » I’d blame the teaching and method. Any good teacher can make the most boring subject exciting and worth learning. Irish certainly doesn’t have anything going for it as it’s taught now or previously. I mean Peig Ffs what’s an awful idea
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I had some good Irish teachers. It just wasn’t for me. And I actually missed out on Peig Sayers, the curriculum changed. I’ve found some people to be quite judgemental of me IRL for not liking Irish as a subject or language. Nobody ever seems to have a problem with people not liking maths or french or history. Just because it’s our former native tongue doesn’t mean everyone is going to like learning it. I like French because I think it’s a beautiful language. I didn’t feel the same about Irish.
