Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Wasn’t directed at you. Just the rampant unregulated anti Irish spin bots that infect boards and are somehow allowed away with it every single time
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » I’m not saying you must learn it or you must encourage the learning of it. That achieves nothing. Nobody cares about what myself or you thinks. I am saying imagine the people of Ireland were as enagaged in Irish as they are with the premiership or love island or X factor or any amount of bull**** we’d be all better off. It’s embarrasing we don’t engage with the heart of our culture and instead are addicted brain dead zombies to the brain dead nonsense that comes from Britain.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » This sentence hurts my brain matter. I did not particularly like the language itself. I had some good teachers. Why do you think people can’t dislike a language? Oh and I don’t watch X Factor, Love Island or football.
TheDiceMan2020 wrote: » It's passed on! This language is no more! It has ceased to be! 'It's expired and gone to meet its maker! 'It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! It's kicked the bucket, its shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-LANGUAGE!!
El Tarangu wrote: » The Irish figure is definitely more aspirational than based in reality, and I suspect that Welsh figure is, too. As someone who speaks Irish fluently, I have used the language on a couple of dozen occasions in the 15 years since I left school (mainly for talking smack about people while with other Irish people abroad), and I think I have heard it while out and about in Ireland fewer than 10 times.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » It’s not the fault of the language/you can’t dislike the language, because people gave you crap for not enjoying the learning of it
steddyeddy wrote: » I like Irish and want to relearn it but I find a lot of the fluent speakers, particularly from the west of Ireland aren't the most encouraging. Myself and my other half were learning it together but in a Irish speaking meet up a few of the country's western inhabitants just seemed to be there to criticise people speaking it wrong or with a different dialect.
Potential-Monke wrote: » Looking back at school, I would have much preferred to learn anything other than Irish and French. I was not great at them, and I've never used French since. I used a bit of Irish to pass the exam in the Garda college, but haven't used it since that day (2007). I'm currently using Duolingo to learn Japanese, and I've only done about 2 hours in total, and I already feel like I've learned more than the 5 years in school learning Irish and French. Interesting fact (according to Duolingo), there are more people learning Irish on Duolingo than there are native Irish speakers.
whisky_galore wrote: » What? The language is fine. I choose not to speak it because I have fcuk all use for it. I couldn't care less if it sinks or swims. At least I don't have the "shur wouldn't it be lovely if I could speak it" attitude of so many on here. These people are in hopes that others would learn it for them, or the govt would "do something", i.e. fire more money at the problem so by some miracle it would be spoken again by one and all and we'd all live happily ever after. Tbh this is just sheer laziness if they actually wish to retain the language. I used it as a means to an end, to pass a set of exams, like many other people. Languages have become extinct before and I don't recall anyone dying on account of it. If you like it and speak it, good for you. It's just not my bag and others may feel similarly for whatever reason.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I don’t understand the bolded bit!
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » You can’t blame the language on someone judging you for not liking it. Fvck em. I went to a Gaelscoil for secondary. Not having any Irish. Not the brightest idea. I had to learn French and German starting first year through a second language I didn’t know. They were both taught through Irish. As was everything except English. I was fluent in conversational Irish by the end of first year. I still have no idea what’s going on in French or German but I can ask for directions to the train station or mayors house if I’m lost on Germany And mein kuli ist kapput Me and my classmate day one of German in first year thought this was the funniest thing. Also the only thing I remember about learning German. Still have my Irish though.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I had some good Irish teachers. It just wasn’t for me. And I actually missed out on Peig Sayers, the curriculum changed. I’ve found some people to be quite judgemental of me IRL for not liking Irish as a subject or language. Nobody ever seems to have a problem with people not liking maths or french or history. Just because it’s our former native tongue doesn’t mean everyone is going to like learning it. I like French because I think it’s a beautiful language. I didn’t feel the same about Irish.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » I’d blame the teaching and method. Any good teacher can make the most boring subject exciting and worth learning. Irish certainly doesn’t have anything going for it as it’s taught now or previously. I mean Peig Ffs what’s an awful idea
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » It’s not even that. I just didn’t like it as a subject. Like others don’t like maths or history or whatever.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » That brings up the main problem. Application. We none of us have any need to know it and use it. There’s the huge breach in it being of any practical use. Handy to know French in France. Etc Really no need in Ireland. It’s a bummer.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » That brings up the main problem. Application. We none of us have any need to know it and use it. There’s the huge breach in it being of any practical use. Handy to know French in France. Etc Really no need in Ireland. It’s a bummer *i say that being doubly depressed as someone who has friends here who can speak fluent Sindarin and Klingon.
facehugger99 wrote: » Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff. It's quite easy if you know the right professionals and I would encourage any parent who values their child's education to do the same.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I never found Irish easy. And it wasn’t because I was weak at learning languages generally. I was a good French student. But Irish just alluded me. I never found it easy or even interesting. I would gladly have jettisoned it as a subject if I could have.
_blaaz wrote: » Orally its not a particularly difficult language to master Dont see whats wrong with aspiring to have large% of population fluent in it?
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » The economic and political reasons were the result of colonialism of course, without the British empire it wouldn’t have been practical.
BarryD2 wrote: » Christian Brother type historical hogwash! There's a world of difference between bringing in notional laws and implementing them. Irish people moved to speaking English for the same practical & economic reasons that pertains right across the world to this very day.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Though they actively wiped out the Irish language here and punished anyone using it.
whisky_galore wrote: » Along with countless other outdated and usually inaccurate slurs unfortunately.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Well it went from hanging up to the softer feeding people if they anglicised their names. The infamous ‘yis took the spud’ slur that survives to this day
Upforthematch wrote: » And punished the Welsh... and Scots as well probably.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not Look at the history of the French language - not everyone was speaking 'Parisian' in France either. Punishment often equalled death in those times. The Maam Trasna murder case is one example of where an Irish speaker was wronged by an English speaking system:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maolra_Seoighe There weren't thousands of such cases though as you would expect if there was an "active wipeout'. The English language programme in Ireland in 19th century did have many native sympathisers.
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