shanec1928 wrote: » joe queenan 11% second after the first tally
Harry Palmr wrote: » Sinn Fein's collapse is hard to read for me, is it the fall out of no grizzled hard men at the top? Has it alienated the aging traditionalists while not getting in new votes who this time have gone to the Greens?
Itssoeasy wrote: » Rte on their website are saying the three look like they'll get elected.https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0525/1051677-prime-time-councillors/
Sierra Oscar wrote: » Sinn Féin haven't really been getting much coverage of note under Mary Lou's leadership. They've lost their voice to some extent. At local level they have been having a horrid time with bullying accusations and general organizational strife. A whole raft of their new first time candidates elected in 2014 have left the party since then. They haven't been able to replace those candidates.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Are you referring the Government's statutory gender quota, or does SF have a more rigorous version?
donspeekinglesh wrote: » Tally sheet from Ó Cearúil
Fan of Netflix wrote: » I'm referring to the Sinn Fein policy. Sinn Fein brought in a 50-50 split gender quota in a lot of areas where possible. It was another reason they lost several councillors and members. Was viewed as unfair on male candidates.
c.p.w.g.w wrote: » Can I ask a stupid question. Are the tallies the same as the count of first preferences? Or are the tallies just a sample count of each box? Reading different things and confused?
Itssoeasy wrote: » I know of if happening in another party where during the selection convention where the directive from upon high was for one female and one male candidate and two male candidates got the top two highest votes and only one got put forward. I'm all for equality but it sounded very unfair.
Fan of Netflix wrote: » Shocking result for Cronin. Shes one of the more active Shinners on twitter. Guess social media doesn't = votes.
Sierra Oscar wrote: » Also while it's positive to see the Green Party doing well, I would be cautious to read into it too much when it comes to trying to predict a General Election outcome. First off the local and European elections are second order elections. There was pretty much no actual discussion regarding policies and their impact during these elections. That won't be the case during a General Election. A lot of people who voted Green now might not be as happy to do so when they realise the impact of some of their policies when it comes to their own wallets. If there is any sense of an economic downturn on the horizon it could change peoples attitudes entirely. You're also likely to see the main parties put a big focus on climate and sustainable development issues (including housing) during the General Election campaign.
L1011 wrote: » If she could have kept her campaign manager *off* social media it might have helped. Abrasive to say the least
Fan of Netflix wrote: » Is her manager her sister by any chance?
mugsymugsy wrote: » Yeah reading the Anglo celt online the tallies seem to say SF could be wiped out of all Cavan council. Border county in theory should be their stomping ground
is_that_so wrote: » Wicklow Tally is interesting.https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/1132355662401417221
c.p.w.g.w wrote: » It's not true equality...gender quotas are a backward ideology
Blueshoe wrote: » A sad day for democracy
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Except for the fact that they work to bring about improved gender balance over the course of a few elections Here's details of the Government requirements, which impact party funding. Leo has stated that the 30% requirement will increase to 40% in the coming years.https://content.sciendo.com/view/journals/admin/65/2/article-p15.xml Because the democratic process worked? Didn't you say that it wouldn't make any difference anyway?
L1011 wrote: » No. Don't want to name him in case it works like summoning Beetlejuice!
Blueshoe wrote: » You must have missed the videos. Open to bribery. Not that it matters to you since you are just here to argue with anyone and everyone Gender quotas: Quotas are against the principle of equal opportunity for all, since women are given preference over men. Quotas are undemocratic, because voters should be able to decide who is elected. Quotas imply that politicians are elected because of their gender, not because of their qualifications and that more qualified candidates are pushed aside. Many women do not want to get elected just because they are women. Introducing quotas creates significant conflicts within the party organization. Quotas violate the principles of liberal democracy.
ProsQuotas for women do not discriminate, but compensate for actual barriers that prevent women from their fair share of the political seats. Quotas imply that there are several women together in a committee or assembly, thus minimizing the stress often experienced by the token women. Women have the right as citizens to equal representation. Women's experiences are needed in political life. Election is about representation, not educational qualifications. Women are just as qualified as men, but women's qualifications are downgraded and minimized in a male-dominated political system. It is in fact the political parties that control the nominations, not primarily the voters who decide who gets elected; therefore quotas are not violations of voters' rights. Introducing quotas may cause conflicts, but may be only temporarily. Quotas can contribute to a process of democratisation by making the nomination process more transparent and formalised.
