mcmoustache wrote: » He can be blocked from entry and should be. .
hgfj wrote: » I agree he should be but as an Irish citizen though how can he be blocked from entry?
hgfj wrote: » Apparently this pos is looking to emmigrate to Ireland. Acquired Irish citizenship while in prison because his grandmother was Irish. There is a travel ban against him at the moment but that could be lifted in the future. My understanding is if the ban is lifted there is nothing to stop him from moving and settling in Ireland. 17 years in prison has done nothing to dampen his extremism.https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/22/politics/john-walker-lindh-american-taliban/index.html
mcmoustache wrote: » I read your post too quickly and missed that. If he's also a US citizen, it shouldn't be too hard to revoke his Irish citizenship. The Halawa situation is more problematic because his only citizenship is Irish and we can't make him stateless. We probably can't send his Muslim Brotherhood dad back to Egypt either because, well, he'd be fecked. It's a sticky situation but when we live in a free country, sometimes we have to put up with undesirables, homegrown or otherwise.
Grayson wrote: » It's a ban and he's not allowed to come here.
mcmoustache wrote: » He can be blocked from entry and should be.
mcmoustache wrote: » I read your post too quickly and missed that. If he's also a US citizen, it shouldn't be too hard to revoke his Irish citizenship.
Grayson wrote: » It's a ban and he's not allowed to come here. And you're complaining that although no-one has said it will be lifted, it could potentially be lifted?
Berserker wrote: » Can you block an Irish citizen from entering Ireland? What happens if the US authorities decide to throw him out of their country first (denaturalize him, I mean)?
Revocation of Irish citizenship If you obtained your citizenship by naturalisation, there are some circumstances in which it can be revoked (taken back from you). How revocation happens You will be contacted by the Minister for Justice and Equality if your citizenship is to be revoked. Irish citizenship can only be revoked in you obtained it by naturalisation. Citizenship may be revoked if: It was obtained by fraud, misrepresentation or by concealing relevant facts You have failed in your duty of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the state Read other circumstances in which citizenship can be revoked If your citizenship is to be revoked, you may apply for an inquiry into the reasons why.
Grayson wrote: » When it comes to revoking citizenship I don't think it should ever be done. Citizenship is more of a right than a privilege. However when granting citizenship it might be worth putting in a clause that someone who has committed a serious violent crime and is likely to again should be barred.
mcmoustache wrote: » This revocation stuff is interesting. First of all, it can only be revoked if you got it by naturalisation instead of by birth. So it's actually quite difficult to revoke someone's naturalised citizenship.
jmreire wrote: » The bottom line is, if he is an Irish Citizen, he cannot be stopped from entering Ireland. We already have one naturalized Irish Citizen, Alexandr Bekmirazev, born in Uzbekistan, and unless he will be accepted back there...he cannot be forcibly sent back. So he cannot be stripped of his Irish Citizenship. He like Lisa. was captured after the fall of Baghuz, and he is in prison in Syria at the moment. Then you have the case of the English isis girl, Begum, whose Parents come from Bangladesh, Britain is trying to strip her of her British citizenship, but Bangladesh refuses to recognize her. As far as they are concerned..she was born in Britain, so she is British. That legal battle is ongoing at the moment.
jmreire wrote: » Quote:- It was obtained by fraud, misrepresentation or by concealing relevant factsYou have failed in your duty of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the state Read other circumstances in which citizenship can be revoked Joining isis would surely qualify for that one?? The isis manifesto includes the stated aim of the destruction of western society.
Brian? wrote: » Why would joining ISIS qualify? They have never attacked Ireland or an Irish embassy. So they are not a belligerent nation or organisation to Ireland. They’re unquestionably a shower of gowl bags. But I can’t see the Supreme Court ruling on that.
Sonny noggs wrote: » “Isis has called on its followers to wage “all-out war” on the West...” Fairly unambiguous
topper75 wrote: » Thanks hgjf for easing my mind somewhat. This luckybag toy citizenship policy ought to be examined. Could it be brought back to parents only? I suppose the governments cash greed determines otherwise.
article 2 it is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the irish nation. that is also the entitlement of all persons otherwise qualified in accordance with law to be citizens of ireland. furthermore, the irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage.
Pkiernan wrote: » So he goes from Johnny Jihad to Paddy Jihaddy. All hail the wisdom if the glorious left!
Brian? wrote: » Zero attacks on Ireland or it's foreign outposts. "The West" is a pretty ambiguous term in itself.
mcmoustache wrote: » I think we're on the same page here. I would view my Irish citizenship, and Ibrahim's as a right that shouldn't ever be revoked. On the other hand, if I picked up US citizenship later in life, I would view that as a privilege that could be subject to revocation. An acquired foreign citizenship isn't something that anyone should be entitled to but their birth citizenship is. This is opinion by the way and not an interpretation of international treaties or anything like that.
hgfj wrote: » Not sure what the left (or the right) has got to do with this. He's a convicted terrorist whose views haven't changed. I haven't come across any left-wingers saying he should have the right to come and live here. BTW I'm neither left nor right, probably more of a centrist myself.
