jasper100 wrote: » That's one of the underlying tones of this thread. Any person with money can buy their way to have a go at Everest. Seamus had no real mountaineering experience that I can see. Apparently he watched videos of Everest at home and practiced by walking across ladders with crampons on in his back garden.
redmgar wrote: » On Queue
tuxy wrote: » He took up mountaineering four years ago I believe, he had made it to the summit of Mera(6,476 m) Most his fitness training was jogging in the Wicklow mountains and he also took a few trips to Scotland to train in snowy conditions. He was turning 40 in July so unfortunately he didn't have time to gain the recommended amount of experience like climbing a less dangerous 8000m peak to see how the body deals with such extreme altitude.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Is there an age limit or why didn't he have time?
pc7 wrote: » Just to note, I'm being misquoted due to missing ' I didn't quote about camp 4, I said base camp/camp 1, thanks.
liosnagceann75 wrote: » How much lower can you possibly go?
NIMAN wrote: » To be fair, its not the Nepalese governments concern if rich, untrained Westerners want to hand over a small fortune to climb a mountain. When you are an adult, its no-ones responsibility to babysit you, especially when experts warn you to do the right thing and you refuse.
SusieBlue wrote: » God, seeing the video of the poor Sherpa struggling up the mountain with the monstrous bag of supplies & tents while the climbers followed hands free was hard to watch. Awful to imagine what hardship a person has in life that they not only regularly scale Everest, but they do so carrying massive burdens & loads, putting themselves at even greater risk of death. Forget Barretstown, the money should be donated to the Sherpas.
D.Q wrote: » Really don't understand why they need to have his actual dead body there. What difference does it make?
jasper100 wrote: » Apart from the guy 32 minutes ago. And 2 more earlier today.
wrestlemaniac wrote: » Let me start by saying that some of the posts here are completely and utterly disrespectful to Seamus and the Lawless family, using language such as 'bellend'. Anyway, as has already been mentioned Noel Hanna has led a team that includes Jenny Copeland back up the mountain. Hanna was asked on 3 seperate occasions not to go back up, but felt a personal responsibility to see if an extraction was possible.
Crusty Jocks wrote: » Some very poor decision making can be made at high altitudes, I’d say being asked on three separate occasions not go back up and ignoring this is not poor decision making...it’s idiotic. Nothing honourable about it.
Hoboo wrote: » It's like a massive tragedy waiting to happen.
recedite wrote: » "Extraction" ?? I think that's a term normally associated with swooping down in a Blackhawk helicopter and rescuing somebody in the nick of time.
bobbyg wrote: » No it's not.
bobbyg wrote: » Because they leave comments they believe are supportive you believe they think he is alive. Fair enough
ahnowbrowncow wrote: » From a quick search he spent a month in the himalayas in 2017 and climbed Mera Peak (6,500m) and Island Peak (6,300m). He also climber Denali (6,200m) in 2018. Im pretty sure that doesn't count as 'no real mountaineering experience'. There are people climbing everest with zero experience. I fully agree with what's being said about the gofundme page and the lack of transparency and risking more lives to recover the body of someone that knew the risks involved. But is it too much to ask people to voice these concerns with a bit more decorum?
jasper100 wrote: » He skipped the 8000M warmup climb, which is recommended to ensure you can even cope above 8000M.
jasper100 wrote: » ahnowbrowncow wrote: He skipped the 8000M warmup climb, which is recommended to ensure you can even cope above 8000M. You’ve said that. Many times. Will you let it go now?
ahnowbrowncow wrote: He skipped the 8000M warmup climb, which is recommended to ensure you can even cope above 8000M.
Crusty Jocks wrote: » It's been discussed in detail on thread a few times. It's probably fairer to describe Shay Lawless as a somewhat experienced mountaineer but totally inexperienced as far as extreme high altitudes are concerned. Fitness helps but doesn't determine how your body will cope in high altitude and its different for everyone. Just like in deep diving narcosis can have no effect on certain people but will have others who are fit as fiddles go absolutely gaga at deep depths. It's just genetic make up and the physiology of the person. He really should have tested the waters at an 8000m+ height to see how his body coped. I think that is what most people are saying when they describe him as having 'no real mountaineering experience'...not the right experience might be more apt.
wrestlemaniac wrote: » Anyway, as has already been mentioned Noel Hanna has led a team that includes Jenny Copeland back up the mountain.
OwlsZat wrote: » Question on Sheamus's decent. Said he uncliped from the main line and fell. What's the protocol here with his package. Should his Sherpa or climbing partner be spotting him?
