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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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kowloon

The wheeled throne.

2smiggy

Awake early, worth watching before work or go back to bed and watch tonight?

Stan27

Not happy with Jon having to take his vows. Should be allowed to have a family as the nights watch is pointless now. I’ll presume he will become the leader of the free folk/ king north of the wall.

Don’t mind Arya going on an adventure, and Sansas ending is good.

Would liked to have known what happens with drogan, and what the iron bank will do next as they have lost a lot of money, surely the see an opportunity with westeros to make money.

With 2 starks ruling over both kingdoms, hopefully the world will be A better place . The ending was ok, but unfortunately The whole season was so rushed, which is disappointing.

J. Marston

This shot was amazing...

jim-jam

Two things I did like that I forgot to mention earlier was Sansa's ending as Queen of the North and Peter Dinklage was in fairness brilliant in this episode.

FAILSAFE 00

There was easily enough content for another season.

This season should have only been about the white walkers threat.

LuckyGent88

So much went wrong in that season it’s actually a joke. Just not good enough after the first seven season

[Deleted User]

J. Marston wrote: »

I actually really liked the first 40 minutes. Very ominous with Dany but as soon she went in for the kiss it all went downhill.

The dragon sniffing Jon was pretty **** also, kinda gave away what was about to happen, I didnt mind as much seeing his arm move back during the kiss but it really needed to end around here.

RickBlaine

One of the most disappointing things about the finale is that it gave no context to Bran's warging during the winterfell battle. So are we led to assume he was just doing some sightseeing when he warged into those crows?

LuckyGent88

god that was ****e. Seriously ****e. Nothing thru the whole show

Twenty Grand

Liked: Sansa. Probably the best story for the entire series. The only person who learned from her mistakes and stuck to her principles.

Reunited with Ghost. Doesn't make up for the travesty of ignoring him a few eps back though but I'd be foaming if they left it out.

Davos: didn't do much, but he's the ONLY voice of reason in the entire show.

Nice to see Sweet Robyn. Thought he was dead.
Edmure Tully's little speech was hammy, but funny.

Disliked: Everything else. Like, all of it.

Danys death telegraphed for days and badly acted. Cliche death. Drogon flies off into the mist with the body. Such an easy get out.

Arya "Columbus" Stark: weak end to such a badass character. Did nothing all season. Totally pointless.

Bran: Weak ending again. Spent 4 seasons saying he wanted nothing to do with ruling and power, and suddenly "why do you think I came all this way?" Oh I don't know Bran? Presumably because the writers couldnt find a better way to justify all the time spent on you. Did sweet FA for 8 seasons, apart for telling us about Jon's parents.
Also his first choice as ruler is to acknowledge Tyrion is a crap advisor, then reinstates him. Doesn't look good for Westeros.

Jon: Killed Dany after a 5 min chat with Tyrion, well done. Does nothing else, expect look moody. Rejoins the nights watch. Was the whole "nights watch still exists" a ploy by Tyrion to keep the unsullied happy? Sure what's the point of them now?
Presumably becomes king beyond the wall to the 50 or so Wildlings that are still alive. Reminds me of Nigel Farage. Leads a massive revolt, upends society, then f*cks off to let everyone else clean up the mess.

Tyrion: is the dumbest man of them all. Constantly makes mistakes and backs the wrong horse. But sure everyone listens to him, reorganises society in a 5 minute Call to Arms speech then lands the top job. His last line is about bringing a donkey into a brothel. His character arc is a character circle.

Bronn: has murdered, threathened and bribed his way onto the Small Council. Surprised he lived, but sure people of Westeros deserve no better.

Sam: bumbling fool as usual is now Arch Maester proving it's not what you know, it's who you know. Will likely prove fatal in a medical crisis. Somehow blagged his way into the King Making ceremony.

Greyworm: another moody irrational character. Wants Jon dead. Is somehow appeased at the notion of sending Jon to the only place he was happy. But sure Jon can come back because they're leaving for Narth anyways, so what does it matter.

Dothraki: what happened them again? Disappeared.

TimetoShine getting in with the Columbus line a minute ahead of me just caps off a bad night

TimeToShine

Appalling. Bronn "I serve myself" of the blackwater as master of coin, Pod in the kingsguard, Jon being sent to the wall and having to go through an independent kingdom where he can easily be pardoned, Drogon floating around, Arya "Columbus" Stark off to end up dead in Valyria, the dothraki meekly accepting that their queen is dead instead of electing a new Khal and pillaging...I'm gonna need to sleep on it but this is fraudulent stuff. Cookie cutter fantasy of the highest order.

jim-jam

Decent 40 minutes but everything after Danys death was a pile of crap.

If the Unsullied and Dothraki were leaving anyway why did Jon still have to go north aside from a mildly happy ending for him and ghost. I was expecting Bran to go "lol jk you're not going to the nights watch at the pier".

Benioff and Weiss sh*t themselves and rushed the ending.

I enjoyed the series as a whole (I didn't even mind the Dorne bits) but this season bar a few moments has left a slightly sour taste.

mrkiscool2

J. Marston wrote: »

This has probably put me off ever doing a rewatch of the whole thing.

For me it's going to be like Dexter but in a different order. Season 1-4, like Dexter, 10/10 would watch again. Season 5 was great (season 6 of Dexter was) season 6 was good (like season 7), season 7 was meh, with some good moments (like season 5 of Dexter) and season 8 is "Ewww, glob no, never again"

Brendog

Dexter 2.0

I lost interest after John's discussion with Tyrion. So much build up for so little payoff.

BRAN THE BROKEN :pac:

[Deleted User]

Also after Dani died I basically couldn't wait for it to end and all the faux endings were annoying. I literally couldnt wait for it to stop

Colombus Arya was a bit **** also

RickBlaine

A few thoughts:

- I liked that Tyrion had a major role to play. Probably the most meaningful stuff he has had since the end of season 4. As usual, Dinklage is fantastic. Tyrion ended up in the role that best suited his skill set - I like that.

- I don't understand how Jon could possibly be conflicted about Dany. He witnessed her massacre an entire city ffs.

- I thought Dany's death was too rushed and cliched. Surprise stab by her lover in an embrace. We've seen that before. I wish her downfall was a little more complex than a sudden stab.

- I don't really mind the scenes after Dany's death, although Greyworm suddenly becoming the de facto leader of King's Landing was very rushed and a bit jarring, even if he was made head of Dany's armies.

- I also don't really mind Bran becoming ruler. But I think it would have been a bit more palatable if some of the lords required more persuading. Also, it would have been better if Bran was still Bran and not ThreeEyedRavan.exe upgraded with a King mod.

- Maybe I'm a romantic, but I would have liked to have seen Gendry joining Arya on the deck of her ship.

- The episode had some great shots, notably Dany with Drogon's wings behind her, and a sleeping Drogon awakening underneath the ash.

- Overall, not the ideal finale to the whole show but probably the best way season 8 could have ended given the 5 episodes that proceeded it.

tricky D

Bran of the Broken Seasons.

/sigh

J. Marston

This has probably put me off ever doing a rewatch of the whole thing.

sdanseo

Underwhelming doesn't cover it. Pathetic comes close.
A show I've enjoyed for a decade completely destroyed by the people who gave birth do it. That just can't be explained.

I understand their motive was to not give the fans what they wanted. I also understand that short of having that comet come back and just wipe everyone out there were a million more creative ways it could have been done.

The whole season 7 and 8 episode reduction was madness. It planted the seeds of doubt for me.
This is the TV show with the biggest budget in living memory; there was no reason we couldn't have had two full seasons with no excuses about feature length run time.

Cinematically, the last season was brilliant. I enjoyed it to a level, and if it had been any other show would say it was fantastic. But this was GoT. It was and should rightly have been held to a higher standard.

I think I understand why what happened happened and the logic behind the story of it all. But they should have finished the job properly, instead they rushed and subsequently butchered it.

Rightly or wrongly, that petition will have 5 or maybe 10 million signatures by this time tomorrow.

[Deleted User]

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I googled favourite to win the game of thrones out of interest earlier, I didn’t think it would be that much of a spoiler but it doesn’t take a genius to work out the ending looking at the results.

Bookies on bicycles etc etc

I avoided the thread in the gambling forum for just such reasons

martyos121

I ended up seeing the leaks that were circulating for weeks just before episode 4 (the main reason I haven’t been posting here since), and I realised very quickly into episode 5 that they were 100% genuine, so I knew all of that was coming unfortunately, as did many others. I think I was able to enjoy it a bit more as a result of that, because I remember reading it at the time in absolute disgust that it was going to end like this. Having had time to come to terms with it, all I had to look forward to was the execution of this whole episode, and it was a little better than I expected. That’s pretty much the only positive thing I’ll say about it.

Given that Benioff and Weiss had that ending in their locker for years and it was the ending that was coming all along from the mind of GRRM, if they had gotten there in a more natural, earned way, I think most would’ve accepted it. But no, the writers rushed the absolute shîte out of it and I expect this episode and the season as a whole will be ripped to shreds tomorrow as a result.

But at least Ghost got the cuddles he deserved at last. That makes me not so pissed off.

[Deleted User]

About as bad as could have been expected.

While I had no hopes for this in general, even though I liked the last episode as a spectacle.

If they had finished with Tryion saying to John ask me again in 10 years followed by the end and a silence, like the red wedding I thought that would have been cool.

They obviously spent too much time filming other possible endings of the show (given the triage ending) to try keep it a secret, to but a **** about the series as a whole.

Overall not Dexter but ****e.

Me_Grapes

It should have ended with Drogon carrying Danys’ dead body into the sunset with Jon looking on.

There was absolutely no need for us to know anything that happened after that.

ardinn

I was pretty annoyed but im mellowing to that, wont defend it tho, from the moment dany died I was in awe of the how **** it was, but its getting easier as the seconds go by,

Sansa - Yes
Tyrion - Yes
Jon - eh, why is CB still a thing?
Ayra - Meh
Brann - im good with that

It really could have been so much more - but Im grateful for the show as a whole. It was the best television ever created in my eyes.

Its the end of an era - it was just rushed, but, thanks for everything GOT - You rock!

nix

Drogon knew Bran was gonna be king, he melted the chair to make a wheel chair accessible ramp :pac:

But yeah, that was pretty **** as expected, it was going good up until the melting of the chair, everything after that was pretty dumb.

An Arya spin off series into the unknown wouldnt surprise me, they can literally do anything they want with that..

Liamalone

So nothing mentioned after Dany's death about Jon being the rightful heir etc. M'kay

[Deleted User]

I liked Sansa’s crown.

J. Marston

I actually really liked the first 40 minutes. Very ominous with Dany but as soon she went in for the kiss it all went downhill.

Turtwig

Few more episodes could have fleshed things out a bit more.
Overall not a bad ending and does wrap things up.
Just feels like wasted potential. Rushed ending. I know endings are hard and we've yet to see what GRRM does with his, maybe his will be written even worse? It's a world where a finite ending isn't really possible after all. That said, it could still have been played and executed better imo.

Still, not bad. I'll take that. Tens years. Some moments good, some bad, but mostly all of it was good and memorable. Gonna be a while before I find another show that has the same impact.

So long thrones.