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wrestlemaniac

Hoping for good news. Missing from the descent shortly after reaching the summit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/trinity-professor-missing-on-everest-after-scaling-summit-1.3894661%3fmode=amp

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MadYaker

I thought it was pretty much impossible to get a body down from that close to the summit. The air is too thin for helicopters to fly and it would be almost impossible to physically carry him down. If the body is even reachable. Theres hundreds of bodies up there and they don't really decompose properly so they're just kind of lying around, worlds largest open graveyard.

BarryD2

Sad event that has caught the public and media imagination. I suppose if one thing comes out of it, it'll be that it'll apply the brakes in Ireland anyway, to the 'Seven Summits' concept. I'm all for mountaineering ventures based on personal skill & assessment of risks but have some reservations about the commercialism involved in the industry that sells these ideas.

jasper100

MadYaker wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much impossible to get a body down from that close to the summit. The air is too thin for helicopters to fly and it would be almost impossible to physically carry him down. If the body is even reachable. Theres hundreds of bodies up there and they don't really decompose properly so they're just kind of lying around, worlds largest open graveyard.

That pretty much sums it up, which is why rte news promoting a €750k fund raising drive to achieve the near inpossible is quite ridiculous.

tuxy

MadYaker wrote: »

I thought it was pretty much impossible to get a body down from that close to the summit. The air is too thin for helicopters to fly and it would be almost impossible to physically carry him down. If the body is even reachable. Theres hundreds of bodies up there and they don't really decompose properly so they're just kind of lying around, worlds largest open graveyard.

I posted a link earlier about companies now offering this highly dangerous service because there is so much money to be made from it. Depending on where the body is it may be possible to retrieve by digging it out of the ice and attaching it to a sled. You have to risk many peoples lives to do so.

Gwynplaine

A sad situation. But sending a rescue team sounds like madness.

[Deleted User]

Clicked into this thread about 5 minutes before I planned to go to bed last night.

Ended up awake for 4 hours reading up on people that got stuck on Everest ("green boots" being the most popular to discuss) and what happened to the people, etc. Only went to bed when I nearly started falling asleep at the computer and my eyes were sore.

Very interesting discussion. If I were fit enough, I'd say climbing Everest (or similar) would be an amazing experience. I'd love it. I'd imagine (perhaps wrongly) that most deaths are relatively painless as you're likely freezing to death anyway. Someone speculated in one of the many random threads/discussions i read last night that most people just 'stop for a rest, fall asleep, and never wake up'. Apparently if you're near the top and 'stop to rest', then that's you dead, as you'll never recover to continue, and most people have invested so much time and money into reaching the top that they can't bare to turn back, even when they know they're facing major trouble.

Would say it's an amazing thing to do, and to experience. I can understand the argument that yer man that died is after leaving behind a family, and that is devastating. At the same time, I applaud someone for doing something that they really genuinely believe in and have a legitimate passion for.

For many people, I think it's more than just 'bragging rights', especially when you consider that many who climbed it, did so before social media, or before you could use it as a base for trying to get famous. Some people are just inclined to be drawn to certain things, and Everest is one of them. I'd rather freeze to death on Mt. Everest, than die in an armchair after spending my life wishing I attempted it.

Blaizes

Interesting view point, some people are drawn to different things maybe you could call them adrenaline junkies, people chasing a passion, a calling within them. Look at formula one drivers they take the risk , a madness or a passion depending on how you look at it. Friend of mine did a bungee jump in his sixties, probably not that much risk but still, others wouldn’t touch it but he just wanted to.Human spirit driving people on but sadly sometimes with very unfortunate consequences. It certainly is the lived life but hard part is when others have to pick up pieces afterwards. Thinking of Michael Schumachers wife as well after his skiing accident, desperately sad case too and he requires full time continuous care.

RasTa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OaMvEhrCQE

First two seasons of that are great, you can see someone who has no place there(putting their crampons on upside down and backwards) in season 2

Wildlife Actor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Clicked into this thread about 5 minutes before I planned to go to bed last night.

Ended up awake for 4 hours reading up on people that got stuck on Everest ("green boots" being the most popular to discuss) and what happened to the people, etc. Only went to bed when I nearly started falling asleep at the computer and my eyes were sore.

Very interesting discussion. If I were fit enough, I'd say climbing Everest (or similar) would be an amazing experience. I'd love it. I'd imagine (perhaps wrongly) that most deaths are relatively painless as you're likely freezing to death anyway. Someone speculated in one of the many random threads/discussions i read last night that most people just 'stop for a rest, fall asleep, and never wake up'. Apparently if you're near the top and 'stop to rest', then that's you dead, as you'll never recover to continue, and most people have invested so much time and money into reaching the top that they can't bare to turn back, even when they know they're facing major trouble.

Would say it's an amazing thing to do, and to experience. I can understand the argument that yer man that died is after leaving behind a family, and that is devastating. At the same time, I applaud someone for doing something that they really genuinely believe in and have a legitimate passion for.

For many people, I think it's more than just 'bragging rights', especially when you consider that many who climbed it, did so before social media, or before you could use it as a base for trying to get famous. Some people are just inclined to be drawn to certain things, and Everest is one of them. I'd rather freeze to death on Mt. Everest, than die in an armchair after spending my life wishing I attempted it.

That's a very honest post. It explains the ambition that brings most people up there. But don't play down the bragging rights bit. There are thousands of lower mountains that are as beautiful and as hard or harder than everest. Climbing one of those without all the props most everest summitters have is amuch finer achievement. But joe punter won't know that. Only you. So in the Instagram world, everest always wins.

tuxy

Blaizes wrote: »

Interesting view point, some people are drawn to different things maybe you could call them adrenaline junkies,

I agree with this viewpoint but if that gofundme from his pregnant wife is genuine and she thinks that he's been living at 8000m for the last few days and just needs a few sherpas to go up and help him down....... Well he really should have realised she's not very bight and explained what climbing Everest really involves.
I don't think any sane couple would plan this when a baby is due.

[Deleted User]

finigian wrote: »

Very selfish and self-centered of Mr. Lawless to leave his pregnant wife and child at home for an adrenaline rush. He initially sought donations to fund his jaunt to Everest and promised to give any leftover funds to charity. Here's the thing - he only raised about €7,000 yet the cost to hike Everest is closer to €70,000. There was never any hope of a single cent going to charity. If people want to raise money for charity why not just hand over the money without the self-indulgent trips involved?

And that's not even mentioning the shady gofundme for an unrealistically optimistic recovery operation. The government better not get involved or spend a single cent of taxpayer money on this ill-fated mission. Reports state that Simon Conveney has been on the phone with the widow several times today. Ibrahim Halawa 2.0.

Was that €7,000 not between the 4 of them?

Lord Trollington

A real tragedy to be fair. Leaving behind a wife and young kids.

But if this guy was a primary school teacher from Ballygobackwards there would be little or nothing about it . He's a professor in TCD which has been the opening line of every news report on it.

Sadly that's driving the whole thing . For the life of me I cant see how or why 750k is needed to recover him. With anything like this everyone knows the risks before doing it

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

Was that €7,000 not between the 4 of them?

It's unclear(edit: the page does mention 4 members so you are correct)
https://give.everydayhero.com/ie/ireland-on-everest-barretstown

It would seem the plan was to send many Irish people to the summit over a number of year sand at raise a total of €25k in that time frame.
It looks like the climbs may have been self funded

Augme

Lord Trollington wrote: »

But if this guy was a primary school teacher from Ballygobackwards there would be little or nothing about it

Now let's be honest, your talking complete ****e here.

tuxy

Augme wrote: »

Now let's be honest, your talking complete ****e here.

A week ago another Irish climber met a tragic end but it was very low profile, he was from Co. Clare.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-who-died-after-falling-while-climbing-carrauntoohil-named-1.3889256

wrestlemaniac

finigian wrote: »

And that's not even mentioning the shady gofundme for an unrealistically optimistic recovery operation.

In what way is the GoFundMe shady?

If my partner went missing on Everest, in the immediate aftermath, I would do everything within my power to get them down the mountain.

Emotions trump rationale every single time. It only happened a few days ago sure.

martingriff

finigian wrote: »

That climber didn't go begging for donations online to fund his trip though.

There was a bit in the news about that climber from Clare but when it is Everest it gets an air of bigger tragedy about it if justified or not. I would not be giving donating for thing like this but there is a bit followers of the mystic of the highest trill and for some climbers Everest is it. I do agree given his wife was pregnant I be giving it a second taught of whenever to go

tuxy

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

In what way is the GoFundMe shady?

If my partner went missing on Everest, in the immediate aftermath, I would do everything within my power to get them down the mountain.

Emotions trump rationale every single time. It only happened a few days ago sure.

You would put other people at risk even when experienced climbers are asking you not to do it? I've seen people deal with grief in a rational manner, grief does not have to be irrational.

Augme

tuxy wrote: »

Augme wrote: »

Now let's be honest, your talking complete ****e here.

A week ago another Irish climber met a tragic end but it was very low profile, he was from Co. Clare.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-who-died-after-falling-while-climbing-carrauntoohil-named-1.3889256

Big difference between carrauntoohil and Everest. Also, the fact he is missing is what is making this a much bigger story.

martingriff

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

In what way is the GoFundMe shady?

If my partner went missing on Everest, in the immediate aftermath, I would do everything within my power to get them down the mountain.

Emotions trump rationale every single time. It only happened a few days ago sure.

Agree with this. If a member of my family or close friends went missing no matter what crazy thing they were doing I would do anything to find or recover them initially. Given time and maybe this will happen here they will realize how futile it is

Augme

tuxy wrote: »

wrestlemaniac wrote: »

In what way is the GoFundMe shady?

If my partner went missing on Everest, in the immediate aftermath, I would do everything within my power to get them down the mountain.

Emotions trump rationale every single time. It only happened a few days ago sure.

You would put other people at risk even when experienced climbers are asking you not to do it? I've seen people deal with grief in a rational manner, grief does not have to be irrational.

How do you know experienced climbers have asked her not too go it?

Caledonia

Jesus the government:

from Independent

The Irish government will offer any support it can to help efforts to find a missing climber on Mount Everest, Tanaiste Simon Coveney has said.

Seamus “Shay” Lawless, from Bray, Co Wicklow, fell as he descended the peak on Thursday having just achieved a lifetime ambition of reaching the summit.

Still waters

Augme wrote: »

Big difference between carrauntoohil and Everest. Also, the fact he is missing is what is making this a much bigger story.

So it's more glamorous to die on Everest, good to know, little comfort to ger duffys family I'd imagine and no gofund page set up to support his family

tuxy

Caledonia wrote: »

Jesus the government:

from Independent

The Irish government will offer any support it can to help efforts to find a missing climber on Mount Everest, Tanaiste Simon Coveney has said.

Seamus “Shay” Lawless, from Bray, Co Wicklow, fell as he descended the peak on Thursday having just achieved a lifetime ambition of reaching the summit.

The government need to increase that approval rating. The lack of rational thought from people on the gofundme has given them the green light.

tuxy

martingriff wrote: »

Agree with this. If a member of my family or close friends went missing no matter what crazy thing they were doing I would do anything to find or recover them initially. Given time and maybe this will happen here they will realize how futile it is

So if someone you respected who was highly experienced was to say to you, please don't send more people into danger. You would ignore their request?

martingriff

tuxy wrote: »

So if someone you respected who was highly experienced was to say to you, please don't send more people into danger. You would ignore their request?

Initially YES I say I would. Anything I could do to get a family member or a very close friend I would try anything. Are you saying if fa family member or a great best friend went missing somewhere (yes he is more then likely dead) you would go its over. Very easy to say when it has not happened to you

tuxy

martingriff wrote: »

Initially YES I say I would. Anything I could do to get a family member or a very close friend I would try anything. Are you saying if fa family member or a great best friend went missing somewhere (yes he is more then likely dead) you would go its over. Very easy to say when it has not happened to you

If he is above 8000m he is dead(no if about it), If I could I would send a team to search the areas below that point.
Like I said from my experience grief doesn't have to be irrational and in most cases it isn't, it depends on the people involved.
There is no way a recovery mission would go ahead if it involved the possible loss of life of Irish men but it will be men from Nepal so that does change things considerably.

Snow Garden

tuxy wrote: »

If he is above 8000m he is dead(no if about it), If I could I would send a team to search the areas below that point.
Like I said from my experience grief doesn't have to be irrational and in most cases it isn't, it depends on the people involved.
There is no way a recovery mission would go ahead if it involved the possible loss of life of Irish men but it will be men from Nepal so that does change things considerably.

Ah stop, the man is dead no matter what altitude he is at right now.

It's all becoming a bit ghoulish now.

Also people need to stop looking at this gofundme page if it bothers them that much.

Wildlife Actor

It's madness to perform a body recovery mission here.

However you cannot blame the wife/widow of this man, who is probably demented with grief, from wanting to do it. Its understandable even if objectively wrong.

Its those who know better and are encouraging it that i would have it in for.

His family will realise in time that leaving him there is the right thing. Those out there in the mountain need to make the right decision for that family now.

tempmailtest mail

€218,000 now, is there a mechanism to refund that money, or can it be used for other purposes, eg donated to charity?