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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

This office block?
Because that is a listed building and a prime example of its time :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's always looked like an ugly grey office block to me.

[Deleted User]

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I don't give a toss that its listed. It's always looked like an ugly grey office block to me.

The HSE wanted to renovate the building (and fronting) after the fire in 2011 and were told where to jump. That's why the signage is on the flags infront

fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

The HSE wanted to renovate the building (and fronting) after the fire in 2011 and were told where to jump. That's why the signage is on the flags infront

Hook, line and sinker C_E :pac:

Matter of time till its knocked so.

Keplar240B

Is that new bridge really necessary, seems like a waste to me , ST Patrick bridge walkways are nearly 8 foot wide on both sides.

[Deleted User]

Keplar240B wrote: »

Is that new bridge really necessary, seems like a waste to me , ST Patrick bridge walkways are nearly 8 foot wide on both sides.

Same was asked about the bridge by the Coal Quay and it is a very well used bridge

[Deleted User]

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

It's always looked like an ugly grey office block to me.

Being very sarcastic.
It is a monstrosity but can not be touched. The prime example of it's time was a given reason.
Prime soviet style muck.

Just shy of a million was spent repairing it, after the fire, iirc.

Frostybrew

Keplar240B wrote: »

Is that new bridge really necessary, seems like a waste to me , ST Patrick bridge walkways are nearly 8 foot wide on both sides.

It's going to be a key part of the city centre cycling network, effectively a continuation of the two way segregated cycle lane from Angelsea St; connecting the northside with the southside, and the city centre to the railway station.

fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

Being very sarcastic.
It is a monstrosity but can not be touched. The prime example of it's time was a given reason.
Prime soviet style muck.

Just shy of a million was spent repairing it, after the fire, iirc.

And yet some are saying that proposed student building is an eyesore in the area?! Compared to what? Ok if was right next to the church fair enough. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but dear god that is literally a non argument.

Mental. :pac:

Junkyard Tom

normanbond wrote: »

Rag Tag development ... eye sore ... cheapy student apartments ... absolute eyesore ... shocking and cheap looking ... cheap student flats

That's a lot of outrage boxes ticked. What's the actual problem? Can you be specific?

smurgen

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Local elections town hall meeting in Douglas this evening and out of the 4 Fianna Fail and Fine Gael candidates in the electoral area, none turned up. Bizarre!

Is there anyone at a political level lobbying on behalf of the city as regards resources?

snotboogie

smurgen wrote: »

Is there anyone at a political level lobbying on behalf of the city as regards resources?

I’d imagine that’s what a directly elected mayor would be able to do, you know the office we are about to resoundingly reject in a plebiscite because de echo said it’d cost a few hundred k.

MrDerp

snotboogie wrote: »

I’d imagine that’s what a directly elected mayor would be able to do, you know the office we are about to resoundingly reject in a plebiscite because de echo said it’d cost a few hundred k.

Why simplify it so? Plenty of people simply don’t like the idea of an individual having that much power to spend public money.

I can assure you I don’t read the echo, nor does paying people properly for a job bother me.

j8wk2feszrnpao

snotboogie wrote: »

I’d imagine that’s what a directly elected mayor would be able to do, you know the office we are about to resoundingly reject in a plebiscite because de echo said it’d cost a few hundred k.

We have the Tánaiste, who's doing sweet FA, but a Cork Mayor (will limited powers and influence) could get us over the line? Not a very convincing argument.

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Same was asked about the bridge by the Coal Quay and it is a very well used bridge

The Coal Quay one is useful, can't see much value in the new one other than the saving of a minute or so walking time, but whoever wanted it has got it now.

[Deleted User]

whisky_galore wrote: »

The Coal Quay one is useful, can't see much value in the new one other than the saving of a minute or so walking time, but whoever wanted it has got it now.

Again though, people said that North Gate and Christy Ring bridges were only a few hundred feet away

Cycle network for this one also

kub

munstermagic11 wrote: »

We have the Tánaiste, who's doing sweet FA, but a Cork Mayor (will limited powers and influence) could get us over the line? Not a very convincing argument.

Surely as a member of The Dail and as Tanaiste his first responsibility is the whole country?

smurgen

kub wrote: »

Surely as a member of The Dail and as Tanaiste his first responsibility is the whole country?

Yes and his focus seems to be dublin only.cork developing would help the whole county.

kub

smurgen wrote: »

Yes and his focus seems to be dublin only.cork developing would help the whole county.

But surely local issues are things that councillors should be dealing with not members of National Government.

namloc1980

kub wrote: »

But surely local issues are things that councillors should be dealing with not members of National Government.

Or Indeed a locally elected Mayor. But that whole thing has descended into a row over money and I expect it to be massively rejected.

kub

namloc1980 wrote: »

Or Indeed a locally elected Mayor. But that whole thing has descended into a row over money and I expect it to be massively rejected.

I can just imagine the excuse after this election when the elected Mayor vote is rejection.
I can imagine the line, well if the people of Cork had voted for a Mayor then the Events Centre etc, would have happened.

Brussels Sprout

whisky_galore wrote: »

The Coal Quay one is useful, can't see much value in the new one other than the saving of a minute or so walking time, but whoever wanted it has got it now.

The handy thing about it is that on the North side it's going to be right in front of that narrow street, Harley street, that goes right up to McCurtain Street so will make the centre of that street a little bit more accessible. Shame the other end is basically the side of Merchant's Quay which is a bit of a monolith.

j8wk2feszrnpao

kub wrote: »

Surely as a member of The Dail and as Tanaiste his first responsibility is the whole country?

He's a member of the Dail because he was elected in Cork South Central.
Cork is a part of the whole country.
He had his spade in the ground, and has repeated spoken on the Events Center (making it look like he's intervened). If he can't get it over the line, then a Cork mayor isn't gong to make any difference (no matter how much bawling people want to do about it).

snotboogie

MrDerp wrote: »

Why simplify it so? Plenty of people simply don’t like the idea of an individual having that much power to spend public money.

I can assure you I don’t read the echo, nor does paying people properly for a job bother me.

The council have clearly struggled to represent Cork and get funds at a national level. 10% of the national tax take comes from Cork, what percentage of the capital spending do we get? It's an absolute no brainer that we powerful local representation.

Markcheese

snotboogie wrote: »

The council have clearly struggled to represent Cork and get funds at a national level. 10% of the national tax take comes from Cork, what percentage of the capital spending do we get? It's an absolute no brainer that we powerful local representation.

I'm actually keen on the elected mayor, and understand he'd need paying and a staff... (I'd be a bit wary of pension entitlements all right)
As to how the power game would work out between City manager, (and staff), the mayor, and the council it'd probably be a head wreck...
But if the mayor was making City policy, and had influence over local property tax levels and rates, it could be a good thing...

marno21

The Tainiste also happens to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a time when one of our closest allies and biggest trading partners, alongside being a country we share a land border with have gone into a sustained period of self implosion. I can appreciate him being elsewhere rather than doing the work of councillors in Cork.

It doesn't help either that the other Government TD for Cork City is a total waste of space.

whisky_galore

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The handy thing about it is that on the North side it's going to be right in front of that narrow street, Harley street, that goes right up to McCurtain Street so will make the centre of that street a little bit more accessible. Shame the other end is basically the side of Merchant's Quay which is a bit of a monolith.

Hardly a dire necessity. But if it makes someone happy, hey ho.

whisky_galore

marno21 wrote: »

The Tainiste also happens to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a time when one of our closest allies and biggest trading partners, alongside being a country we share a land border with have gone into a sustained period of self implosion. I can appreciate him being elsewhere rather than doing the work of councillors in Cork.

It doesn't help either that the other Government TD for Cork City is a total waste of space.

Cork needs a Healy-Rae type, or types.

snotboogie

In case anybody isn't following the dedicated EC thread:

Camilla Better Muffler wrote: »

BAM are getting ready to reply to the outstanding planning issues with a design for the event centre that is drastically reduced in scale. Smaller audience, event space, etc. Further information to be submitted in the next two weeks I'm told.

smurgen

marno21 wrote: »

The Tainiste also happens to be the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a time when one of our closest allies and biggest trading partners, alongside being a country we share a land border with have gone into a sustained period of self implosion. I can appreciate him being elsewhere rather than doing the work of councillors in Cork.

It doesn't help either that the other Government TD for Cork City is a total waste of space.

Brexit is the scape goat for everything.The dispropotionate underinvestment in Cork predates Brexit.

kub

smurgen wrote: »

Brexit is the scape goat for everything.The dispropotionate underinvestment in Cork predates Brexit.

I am not making excuses when I say this, you have a point, but there was a recession before Brexit.

I wonder has there been any project like this in Dublin that had similar issues?