Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: » Fantastic, so Douglas (may) have a Luas after 2100. Anyone actually think these plans will be actually completed? I'm skeptical to say the least...
kub wrote: » There is no private money in these projects, all to be funded by the Government. We all know how this part of the country does not get much in the way of Government spending. I wonder what the position would be with The Event Centre if it was being built in Dublin, well and truly finished at this stage no doubt. All I can see from this joke of a plan is more bus lanes and extra bus services. The tunnel was first planned back in the 1970's, look how long it took for that to be built. I have zero confidence in any of those major expenditure parts of that plan ever happening. This is Cork and I as a long term resident know where we are in Dublins eyes
namloc1980 wrote: » Instead of electrifying the rail network should be looking at Hydrogen powered trains. Some of these are operational in Germany. The only byproduct is pure water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vgxrsn_bY4
cgcsb wrote: » And how do you manufacture hydrogen?
namloc1980 wrote: » Chemically currently which isn't clean however electrolysis is increasingly used and is commercially viable and will continue to grow. Using electricity from renewable or mostly renewable sources makes hydrogen fuel almost 100% clean.
Markcheese wrote: » The problem with Douglas, is its low density housing..(. A lot of areas of the North side would be higher density...), Its not a luas for everybody in the audience plan, Buses are still going to be the heavy lifters of public transport... And they could be seriously improved for Douglas...
cgcsb wrote: » Producing it with electricity (realisticly through mixed sources of power) and then transporting it in bulk is a very inefficient process. Electrifying the railway is still much better option.
MrDerp wrote: » It’s unfortunate, I agree that this is all which can be aspired too. But we’re coming from a low base. Dublin has significant commuter rail and two Luas lines. If cork can catch up with one tram line and a few stations that’s a good incremental improvement.
marno21 wrote: » Battery powered trains.. why? It's ~50km of railway line that just needs wire strung along it and the associated ancilliary equipment. Why bother spending all that money on batteries, having to charge them, the maintenance/replacement costs, and that's aside from the energy required to haul the batteries around all day. Overhead wires are a no brainer for high frequency rail systems, it's a proven technology used all over the world for many years. It's also not that expensive.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Aspiring to have even lower than the current national urban area average cycling in 20 years time is something of a red line for me: I'm afraid I'd see that as a complete failure. So in short: The CMATS ambition is to maintain current walking levels, stay short of the very low current national urban cycling levels for the foreseeable future and keep private car usage levels higher than Dublin's current levels: the third most congested city in the world this year. It's like some kind of cruel joke!
namloc1980 wrote: » It's a consideration in CMATS so NTA should be asked why. Either way don't think it'll happen anyway. Hard to see much of the stuff in CMATS, especially in the 2031-2040 projected timeframe, happening at all.
cgcsb wrote: » The time frame is an interesting one. Every project for Dublin publicised thus far has a completion date of circa 2027. Hard to see Dublin having such an advanced transport system in 2030 when Cork is basically left as is until then.
cgcsb wrote: » I was at a transport planning society presentation a few weeks ago. Invariably the conversation turns to policy. This was before cmats was made public. Basically the modelling shows that with bus connects, metrolink, dart expansion and the cycling network being overhauled that the % modal choice will remain largely the same as now in 2030. The additional capacity provided by these projects is basically just enough to meet the anticipated growth in demand over the coming 10 years. The modelling also shows that actually the real modal change % happens not when the carrot comes out but the stick. Adding costs to work place parking is particularly effective. Of course these punative measures aren't popular so really new pt infrastructure and lots of it has to come first. Come 2030, assuming metrolink bus connects and dart expansion are delivered as described, then you'll start to see a lot more stick. The Oslo model (allowing electric cars only but almost no parking) is currently attracting great interest among planners. And of course Cork won't be long behind when these ideas are implemented in Dublin.
The following lists the order in which the transport network has been developed. Initial stages focused on the development of the public transport network ....[].... The road, cycling and walking networks were subsequently developed. The overall order of development was: ƒ Public Transport Network; ƒ Development of Indicative Overall Public Transport Network; ƒ Strategic Public Transport Network; ƒ Corridor Specific Public Transport Network Options; ƒ Road Network; ƒ Cycling Network; and ƒ Walking Network.
kub wrote: » The tunnel was first planned back in the 1970's, look how long it took for that to be built.
namloc1980 wrote: » Not hard to see at all. That's what I expect will happen. Some BusConnects stuff will probably happen but beyond that there'll be little more of consequence before 2030 in Cork.
Corkbiiy wrote: » Oh and how convenient this says that there is no demand for north-south public transport, the consultants wanted to put 2 bus lanes on summer hill north, and I called this a few days ago. Absolute GOMS.
Corkbiiy wrote: » RE free parking in mahon and wilton: good luck, they're private businesses, if they toll the car parks the shopping centers will be quickly deserted and Amazon will be more than happy to take up the business. It's probably the stupidest thing to come from the NTA to date, and I've heard of a lot of stupid from them, trust me.
namloc1980 wrote: » Where does it say there is no demand for North-South public transport? If course there is but not at Luas scale. The East West corridor has massive trip generators (Mahon/Kent/Docklands/UCC/CUH/CIT/future technology Park) that justifies it.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » I broadly agree with all of this. But they're not even aiming for the nationally achieved poor figures here for Cork. They state they're expecting 40% population growth to 315k people. They hope that 49% of that population will use cars. 157k people ~ish. They say that currently 66% of the stated population of 189k use cars. 125k people. So they're aspiring for approx 32k extra cars in the cork Metropolitan area by 2040.
cgcsb wrote: » Just a point worth mentioning, the percentages are percentages of trips, not a % of the population. I agree these are only marginal improvements but more importantly these actions will facilitate much more drastic actions such as widespread car bans and imposition of greater costs for parking. I'm surprised at the lack of improvement to cycling, Cork's urban area is small, marginal improvements to the facilities can generate massive benefits, I would expect the actual % to increase quite a bit more. In Dublin cycling as a mode increased massively in numbers in the 2000s with no infrastructure at all, it was simply part of a global trend, I expect the same will happen in Cork.
