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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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fonecrusher1

A new transport blueprint for Cork includes a 25-stop light rail system and six new park and ride facilities across the city by 2040

:pac:

namloc1980

A €1bn light rail network from Ballincollig to Mahon Point carrying 46m passengers per year is outlined in the document.

That's more passengers than the Red and Green Luas lines in Dublin combined (c.37m in 2018).

AugustusMinimus

Mushy wrote: »

Echo jumping the gun here

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Plans-for-a-LUAS-system-in-Cork-are-revealed-55252abf-f18a-4239-92b6-e1f66bc8b158-ds

Have the Echo lifted everything from this thread for that article?

Mushy

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Have the Echo lifted everything from this thread for that article?

One would have to think a large amount of info within here had prior knowledge to the content. So they may have gotten it from here, or maybe same source sent it their way

Manach

While new transport links are to be welcomed, during the prior boom years similar type of projects were bandied about before evapourating when the economic tanked.

whisky_galore

Manach wrote: »

While new transport links are to be welcomed, during the prior boom years similar type of projects were bandied about before evapourating when the economic tanked.

They were talking about new transport and light rail on and off since the 1970s for godsakes.
I'll believe when I see actual rails being put down.

Aontachtoir

marno21 wrote: »

Brief interview with Kevin O'Sullivan in today's Business Post.

* The Custom House Tower is now planned to be 34 storeys

* The Custom House Tower will be twice the height of the Elysian, so around 136m.

Wow - I didn't realise this had officially gone for planning. They'll never allow a 136-metre building, surely? This would be far and away the tallest building on the island - not saying Cork doesn't deserve the biggest and the best. :cool:

Tomtom364

Aontachtoir wrote: »

Wow - I didn't realise this had officially gone for planning. They'll never allow a 136-metre building, surely? This would be far and away the tallest building on the island - not saying Cork doesn't deserve the biggest and the best. :cool:

It hasn't.

Frostybrew

Looks like we're getting a "DART" style system in addition to LRT. Double tracking to Midleton, electrification of the Cork suburban network and a frequency of 10 mins on all lines, 5 mins from Glounthaune to city centre.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CMATS_Exec_Summary_May_2019_FINAL.pdf

Anteayer

namloc1980 wrote: »

Was down at PUC today and took a look over the hoarding into the showgrounds to see if anything happening with Marina Park. Nothing at all going on there. Just a patch of wasteland. Another city hall failure.

Is there some kind of funding issue ? Seems to be moving very slowly

Rhys Essien

Aontachtoir wrote: »

Wow - I didn't realise this had officially gone for planning. They'll never allow a 136-metre building, surely? This would be far and away the tallest building on the island - not saying Cork doesn't deserve the biggest and the best. :cool:

I'm a bit disappointed that it's being cut to 34 storeys because on their website they were saying it was going to be 47 storeys and especially now that height restrictions have effectively been scrapped. This is going to be the flagship/landmark building for the city so it needs to be iconic in my opinion.

namloc1980

Frostybrew wrote: »

Looks like we're getting a "DART" style system in addition to LRT. Double tracking to Midleton, electrification of the Cork suburban network and a frequency of 10 mins on all lines, 5 mins from Glounthaune to city centre.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CMATS_Exec_Summary_May_2019_FINAL.pdf

Double tracking should've been done when it was built. Love the vision of the strategy, unfortunately don't think much of it will ever come to fruition.

chalkitdown1

Anteayer wrote: »

Is there some kind of funding issue ? Seems to be moving very slowly

Development was supposed to be underway sometime in April but it looks like it's still stuck in tendering. Delay after delay with this place.

snotboogie

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I'm a bit disappointed that it's being cut to 34 storeys because on their website they were saying it was going to be 47 storeys and especially now that height restrictions have effectively been scrapped. This is going to be the flagship/landmark building for the city so it needs to be iconic in my opinion.

Seems to be a slowdown in demand for office space, so I imagine this will be just a hotel/conference centre/apartments.

WoolyJumper

It all sounds great but like others have said it's such a long term plan I don't how much of this will actually come to fruition. If we could just get the bus connects out of this it would make a massive difference. Though I really would love to see all of it implemented

marno21

It's a fantastic plan and exactly the ambitious kind of development Cork needs. It's a bit light on the roads side but that is more of a regional issue than a city one.

Now the battle to get it built begins. There needs to be roundhouse lobbying from all quarters to ensure it gets implemented. If the city sits back and says "ah sure Dublin is getting all the money we'll never see a Luas" then we won't. Business, council, voters etc all need to make it an issue and ensure it stays at the top of the agenda.

kooga

can anybody confirm when the new bridge is going to be lifted into place- I had heard this week

Tk U

leahyl

Frostybrew wrote: »

Looks like we're getting a "DART" style system in addition to LRT. Double tracking to Midleton, electrification of the Cork suburban network and a frequency of 10 mins on all lines, 5 mins from Glounthaune to city centre.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/CMATS_Exec_Summary_May_2019_FINAL.pdf

That link is dead now :rolleyes: I should have saved it while it was live!

cgcsb

Cmats is ambitious, if not vague, no doubt there'll be more detailed documents to come. It lacks ambitions in some aspects. By 2040 the amount of journeys taken by car to still be around 50%. Cycling only up to 5%, and walking remains unchanged. By 2040 we'll have failed spectacularly to reduce emissions from transport.

Frostybrew

namloc1980 wrote: »

Double tracking should've been done when it was built. Love the vision of the strategy, unfortunately don't think much of it will ever come to fruition.

Yes double tracking should've been done. It was looked at but they decided to go for single track with passing loops and allow for the possibility of upgrading. Most of the "new" stations announced have been in various plans over the last twenty years and should've been opened when Midleton was opened in 2009.

marno21 wrote: »

It's a fantastic plan and exactly the ambitious kind of development Cork needs. It's a bit light on the roads side but that is more of a regional issue than a city one.

Now the battle to get it built begins. There needs to be roundhouse lobbying from all quarters to ensure it gets implemented. If the city sits back and says "ah sure Dublin is getting all the money we'll never see a Luas" then we won't. Business, council, voters etc all need to make it an issue and ensure it stays at the top of the agenda.

Agreed, it looks like a very promising plan. In addition to the rail initiatives, the bus network is going to be completely repurposed; with many new routes, excellent frequencies, and what looks like a doubling of the bus fleet. The plan overall will give Cork a world class public transport system, if implemented.

Unfortunately we're also going to see many more "Pana car ban" style battles over the coming years, which will no doubt dilute the plans potential effectiveness.

leahyl wrote: »

That link is dead now :rolleyes: I should have saved it while it was live!

It must have gone live by accident, or leaked deliberately. It should be back up tomorrow along with a more detailed document.

calnand

kooga wrote: »

can anybody confirm when the new bridge is going to be lifted into place- I had heard this week

Tk U

It's being placed on the barge today. But depending on the clearance needed for going under the two bridges it may be this weekend (spring tide) before it's moved into place.

who_me

calnand wrote: »

It's being placed on the barge today. But depending on the clearance needed for going under the two bridges it may be this weekend (spring tide) before it's moved into place.

Ah nuts. Was really hoping to be home (Patrick's Quay) for it, but I'll be out of the city this weekend. Might try and set up a camera in the window and do a time-lapse.

hans aus dtschl

Tried to re-post it for you but
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If you really want it PM me, or just wait until tomorrow to get it yourself.

I was disappointed with the 50% car, 4% cycle in 2040.
We can say the document is perhaps overly ambitious in other aspects, but to me those numbers look very unambitious.

Mentions of putting cycling and walking first when designing road projects will sound hilarious to anyone who has actively liaised with the engineers.

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/SamMcCormack97/status/1127978029723074561?s=19

Corkbiiy

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SamMcCormack97/status/1127978029723074561?s=19

That's only the exec summary not the full report, but it is authentic

marno21

Corkbiiy wrote: »

That's only the exec summary not the full report, but it is authentic

Corkbiiy, on behalf of all of us here, thank you for your posts

igCorcaigh

So... Will we be waiting until 2040 for the light rail system?

Curb Your Enthusiasm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

So... Will we be waiting until 2040 for the light rail system?

Construction not starting til 2031 at the earliest apparently..... Draw up your own conclusions. Why can't they start it earlier? A lot can change in 12 years....

namloc1980

The timescale for the rail network are laughable. The strategy says between now and 2026 the only development will be through running at Kent which is a new platform to the south of the station. That's it for the next 7 YEARS!

Increased frequency to 3 trains per hour and any new train station not until 2027-2031. And the crucial elements of 10 minute frequency to Cobh and Midleton, dual tracking Midleton and electrification not until 2032-2040. Safe to say I don't think many of these things will actually happen.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

What's stopping them from starting these projects ASAP, i.e after the usual consultations etc, in the next few years?

It's such a long time away, it'll be forgotten about and half those involved in it will probably be retired!