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The problem with the country ? (Mods delete if not allowed)

Bigmac1euro

So here we have a group on Facebook, some people on this forum may recognise this FB group, in my opinion it appears this behaviour is normal on this group, am I an idiot for thinking this is disgusting ? I just realised tonight there is a lot more people draining our economy than I originally thought. The attitude here stinks.

Please Note: I posted this on a phone. Apologies for the brutal photoshop.

This is where it starts,
https://i.imgur.com/vZbwN2S.jpg

This is what gets me, and the amount of likes.
https://i.imgur.com/yxvQp2A.jpg

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Yer Da sells Avon

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Be fantastic if they could sterilise a good portion of the population like these that are expanding the ever growing circle of social welfare family busines from generation to generation.

I'd rather sterilise moany fuckers, tbh.

"Do anything interesting on Saturday night?"

"Yeah, I went online to give out about the dole"

[Deleted User]

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Not trying to be. I'm very serious. We were looking for workers lately and can't get any as to many people are getting it far to easy doll bludging. Of course they are laughing.

Paying minimum wage?

Never wrestle with pigs

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Paying minimum wage?

Far from it. Nobody wants to work anymore, and by that I mean get your hands dirty type of work. I don't blame them, they are getting well paid to sit at home. It's the system that needs to change.

kowloon

The dole is 200 a week. With bills and the rest added in I can't see peoplee making many trips abroad. I'd say they're trolling.

Bigmac1euro

kowloon wrote: »

The dole is 200 a week. With bills and the rest added in I can't see peoplee making many trips abroad. I'd say they're trolling.

It’s called child allowance, and usually their OH is working. I’ll break it down.

Person A: 188 social welfare. + 3 kids @ 80 Euro a month (guessing here) 240.

Total - 420 roughly.

Person B - 200 per day + no kids
After tax - 700 a week - tax- 2300 bare minimum.

Total after tax - 2800

Rent - 220
Electricity and the rest - 800 - (generous)
920

1800 expendable- that’s a serious whack right there for 1 parent not workingz
Moral of the story’s I’m drunk goodnight folks.
If anyone wants to tell me different I completely accept that. Let’s go.

Bigmac1euro

kowloon wrote: »

The dole is 200 a week. With bills and the rest added in I can't see peoplee making many trips abroad. I'd say they're trolling.

The fact you think that may be trolling shows us the absolute trouble we’re in.

[Deleted User]

kowloon wrote: »

The dole is 200 a week. With bills and the rest added in I can't see peoplee making many trips abroad. I'd say they're trolling.

The same people will (quite rightly) say that a worker on 400 quid a week cannot makes ends meet.

Someome on that income could easily be entitled to HAP, a medical card, or other rental supports. Such an individual pays very little tax, and rightly so. Yet the complainers see no contradiction here.

Several studies have shown that people are better-off at work.

None of it matters for people who claim they are 'fools' to be at work. Whether or not they are fools, I wouldn't like to say.

Bigmac1euro

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I'd rather sterilise moany fuckers, tbh.

"Do anything interesting on Saturday night?"

"Yeah, I went online to give out about the dole"

Username checks out

kowloon

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

The fact you think that may be trolling shows us the absolute trouble we’re in.

The message was clearly meant to annoy you, so I'd call it trolling, and it seems to have worked. If I was making great money on welfare I'd be keeping it to myself, not purposely attracting attention to it.

Your example of their finances also assumes a working partner and three children, which is a little specific. They're entitled to the childrens allowance, so the only wrong doing would be having a partner working and, I assume, living with them.
I'm not saying people don't game the system, and I'm not saying they use their welfare responsibly, but it's not exactly living the high life.

pjohnson

Given that some tax payers are in full on whinge mode 24/7 you cant be suprised if some people decide to have fun with them.

LirW

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

It’s called child allowance, and usually their OH is working. I’ll break it down.

Person A: 188 social welfare. + 3 kids @ 80 Euro a month (guessing here) 240.

Total - 420 roughly.

Person B - 200 per day + no kids
After tax - 700 a week - tax- 2300 bare minimum.

Total after tax - 2800

Rent - 220
Electricity and the rest - 800 - (generous)
920

1800 expendable- that’s a serious whack right there for 1 parent not workingz
Moral of the story’s I’m drunk goodnight folks.
If anyone wants to tell me different I completely accept that. Let’s go.

I'm currently on Jobseekers with my partner working and 2 kids, he makes a bit less than your estimate for person B and I don't even get half the rate. Honestly being on the dole is quite miserable I find, you have Social Welfare in your neck constantly and it certainly wouldn't be a lifestyle I'd chose in the long run.

El_Bee

kowloon wrote: »

The dole is 200 a week. With bills and the rest added in I can't see peoplee making many trips abroad. I'd say they're trolling.

Well that's kind of the point I saw in the thread originally, several of our wonderful neighbours are on social long term, get a bunch of allowances, hap, fuel etc. plus childrens, are able to live quite comfortably and somehow also afford 20-30k cars, holidays and of course motorbikes for their little angels. Should they be sterilized as some people have said? No, and not just because we might get the next Bono or whatever out of one of them as someone says (although it's a bit strange how that argument fails to factor in abortion, how many Oprah Winfrey's were taken out of planned parenthoods as medical waste?), but I digress, It's incredibly demoralizing to see really awful people living the life while I struggle, so I guess I'm a begrudger, but this is the begrudgery forum isn't it?

[Deleted User]

Okay, so sterilisation puts too many future Oprahs at risk.

Fair enough. Take their children away from them.

fryup

kowloon wrote: »

The dole is 200 a week. With bills and the rest added in I can't see peoplee making many trips abroad. I'd say they're trolling.

unless they're living with their folks? with no bills to pay...could easily save up for a cheap ryanair flight to the canaries

Hal3000

I don't blame the people. Taking the easy way out is human nature. Blame the system and the lack of balls on any of our leaders past or present to tackle it. I have always wondered why those on Welfare cannot work for the state ? I mean the state gives them money so could they not do some part time work for it ? I'll wait now for a slew of complex - academic theories as to why that can't happen -social inequality horsesh*it - insurance reasons - we must understand first crap...

Bigmac1euro

LirW wrote: »

I'm currently on Jobseekers with my partner working and 2 kids, he makes a bit less than your estimate for person B and I don't even get half the rate. Honestly being on the dole is quite miserable I find, you have Social Welfare in your neck constantly and it certainly wouldn't be a lifestyle I'd chose in the long run.

Look, im not saying everyone on the dole is a waster. That’s not what I’m saying, I’ve been on the dole twice in my life. First time I was on it was for 2 weeks and then decided I’d work for absolute pennies during the recession. The 2nd time I was on it for 4 weeks shortly after the recession when I came back from abroad.

My problem is with people that make it a lifestyle choice, and push for a council house etc. They feel entitled. I know a fair few people who’ve gotten houses and I know a lot of people who abuse the system and what I’m seeing proves there’s actually more than I originally thought. A lot of people. A friend of mine is in a Facebook group and we were discussing the issue and she showed me that post.

I think what I’m deeply pi$$ed off about is the fact I’m saving so hard every day for a house, I will struggle to buy where I want while paying colossal rent. In fact I’ll probably have to buy in a location I don’t want affecting my commute in turn affecting my quality of life.

We have the government taking 10% of housing estates, ones which I’ll never afford and then practically giving them away for free.

Now I totally understand people who are sick and cannot work, depression and anxiety I wouldn’t wish this upon my worst enemy.

But they are homing people in the cities whereas anyone who’s getting a house should be on the outskirts because they most likely don’t work or if they do it’s not many hours. We can’t keep housing people in the city. We have a serious housing crises but we have thousands of empty houses around the country ???? Like it’s just getting ridiculous.

Then you’ve this absolute slob gloating about it on a thread and there’s literally 100’s of people agreeing with her and backing her up.
There’s a good chance she’s better off financially than some working people will ever be.
This shouldn’t be the case the whole welfare system needs an overhaul.

I’ve lived in other countries and they literally put people like this outside the city in shoeboxes. Couples and single people are usually put into a studio shoebox. They aren’t just given a house for life.

fryup

Hal3000 wrote: »

I don't blame the people. Taking the easy way out is human nature. Blame the system and the lack of balls on any of our leaders past or present to tackle it. I have always wondered why those on Welfare cannot work for the state ? I mean the state gives them money so could they not do some part time work for it ? ...

well they do...CE schemes, TUS/Jobpath schemes....why do you think the jobless figures are down so low at the moment, cause the economy is on the up?...(well kind of if you have the right qualifications)

no its because they've got the long term dole bunnies on these waste of time schemes so as to make the unemployment figures more acceptable

jk23

It's strange the way it was automatically assumed it was a male on the dole, straight in with the manchild insults when she was actually female.

It doesn't make a difference to the post, it's still very antagonising to read however there seems to be fixed stereotypes in people's heads.

Bigmac1euro

jk23 wrote: »

It's strange the way it was automatically assumed it was a male on the dole, straight in with the manchild insults when she was actually female.

It doesn't make a difference to the post, it's still very antagonising to read however there seems to be fixed stereotypes in people's heads.

Note: The Facebook group is only women.

HamSarris

The post must be put in context. The initial poster made a disrespectful comment about people on the dole using derogatory language.

A person on the dole got angry at this and created a post to make the initial poster as angry as possible – i.e., I’m using your money and living it up. If this comment was made in isolation, it wouldn’t have got many likes. It got likes because of the anger at the initial poster – probably lots of working people liked the post.

So no I don’t think this person is going to London and New York on dole money.

davidk1394

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Be fantastic if they could sterilise a good portion of the population like these that are expanding the ever growing circle of social welfare family busines from generation to generation.

Ireland are heading down a slippery slope and fast. No money should be for free, they should have to do a set amount of hours each week of community service. My generation are even more useless. A fella I knew in school went mad into weights and the gym. Started taking creatine during the week, cocaine at the weekend. ****e diet and Red Bull. Know his after destroying his kidneys. On dialysis now and on the list for a kidney transplant. The thoughts of my tax money going to save this fella. What were his parents doing that they left him get so bad.

jk23

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Note: The Facebook group is only women.

Oh right, sorry didn't realise that.

LirW

fryup wrote: »

well they do...CE schemes, TUS/Jobpath schemes....why do you think the jobless figures are down so low at the moment, cause the economy is on the up?...(well kind of if you have the right qualifications)

no its because they've got the long term dole bunnies on these waste of time schemes so as to make the unemployment figures more acceptable

There are plenty of non-urban areas that employ a good amount of people on the CE scheme, I recently saw an ad for one in the next village that wanted a fair bit of experience too, as in... Someone could get paid 25k for that. Found this a bit odd that the requirements were quite high for a scheme that's aiming to re-integrate long term unemployed into the job market.

Gimme A Pound

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is not funny.

Wasn't meant to be.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Lol that kind of mean i de facto support Bertie Ahern:

What?

Galwayguy35

We're a welfare state just like our neighbours across the pond, and while we have Governments rewarding the workshy every year in the budget that won't change.

Work your arse off every week and you are entitled to nothing, sit on your arse all week and you get everything for nothing.

Bigmac1euro

jk23 wrote: »

Oh right, sorry didn't realise that.

You couldn’t have known, I didn’t really want to specify.

Gimme A Pound

Hal3000 wrote: »

I don't blame the people. Taking the easy way out is human nature. Blame the system and the lack of balls on any of our leaders past or present to tackle it

**** that. Why aren't we all doing it so? No matter what generous offers are available, if a person chooses to be a freeloader, that's their own responsibility.

Yer Da sells Avon

The holidays. That's what I miss most about being unemployed. I just can't seem to afford it now that I have four times as much disposable income as I did when I was on the dole.

LirW

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We're a welfare state just like our neighbours across the pond, and while we have Governments rewarding the workshy every year in the budget that won't change.

Work your arse off every week and you are entitled to nothing, sit on your arse all week and you get everything for nothing.

If you, as someone who worked has to go on Jobseekers, they'll hound you, put you on nonsense courses or schemes and while this is all pretty depressing, it's for a very good reason.

But if someone comes from a long line of workshy families, how exactly would they ever find employment locally? Everyone local knows about the bad reputation and won't hire them, rightly so. As a business owner I wouldn't be interested either, it would be a liability and chances are there will be other applicants suited a lot better anyway.
The way I see it is that at the end it's a ransom you pay in order to keep them entertained, fed and warm. I totally disagree with the housing policy where a tenancy is indefinite and even if you turn it all around you get to stay for a marginal rate. But re-integrating chronic unemployed is a mammoth task even if they're engaging. It's a really difficult cycle to break out of.

If you'd cut all benefits overnight this would end badly, they're not going to type up their CVs overnight, probably a good number of them are barely literate.
It sucks, it sucks for everyone with a long commute, who scrapes by, who works long hours to afford a modest home.
I really don't agree with a lot of policies around housing people on long-term benefits but generally I think it's a better thing to pay and put up with it than cutting them off and let it all end in a disaster.

Mad_maxx

Children's allowance is paid to working parents too so it's pointless listing it.

How much will a woman ( unmarried but cohabiting) get each month if they are unemployed ( but partner has a job)?