McGiver wrote: » Care to provide any factual counterarguments on my points instead running around and yelling "call the guards!"?
cgcsb wrote: » What a lot f people don't actually get is that the bypass will actually harm the development of sustainable options, the utility of a motorway would be extremely attractive and PT wouldn't be able to compete in mode choice.
?Cee?view wrote: » Is the ocean/sea/bay not a big "factual counterargument"?
cgcsb wrote: » what is the bay an argument against really?
Sam Russell wrote: » A ring road. You cannot build a ring road in Galway because of the Corrib and Galway Bay - it takes a big chunk from the concept of a 'ring'. Goegraphy is against it. The M17 was built too far east to serve Galway City. If there is adequate amount of PT and P&R in Galway, many of the car drivers will find it better to use those facilities, and reduce the demand for road space. That will ease the demand and reduce the grid lock. Bus lanes allow the buses to travel faster than the general traffic and so would be preferred by commuters. If buses travel at 25% better average speed because of bus lanes, then there are effectively 25% more buses at no cost - win win win. So first solve the bus problem.
cgcsb wrote: » No I am in favor of removing road space from cars and giving it to people using more efficient modes so that more people can move as opposed to more cars. The GTS was last year I believe.
Sam Russell wrote: » Bus lanes allow the buses to travel faster than the general traffic and so would be preferred by commuters. If buses travel at 25% better average speed because of bus lanes, then there are effectively 25% more buses at no cost - win win win. So first solve the bus problem.
Deleted User wrote: » BE already said they would happily increase the frequency of services and coverage of routes however until there is a sufficient amount of bus lanes there is no point. It's a chicken and egg thing. You can't build bus lanes because that would reduce capacity too much because there's too many cars. Once the bypass is built you can go ahead and slash the capacity of the existing roads and I would be all for it
Deleted User wrote: » You can't build bus lanes because that would reduce capacity too much because there's too many cars.
what_traffic wrote: » Last bus lane modification was the 15/20 METER reduction of Bus Lane outside the NEW Garda building opposite GMIT.
serfboard wrote: » Yep, as someone said to me, that station build was a real FU to public transport.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Given there is a larger population working in the Ballybrit /Parkmore area than in most large towns in the country, it would be farcical in the extreme to not put a junction to cater for this area
WillieMason wrote: » Ok since people on here keep saying a new road will result in worst traffic delays in the city surly all we need to do is start closing down roads in the city :pac:
markpb wrote: » I know you're joking but there have been plenty of cases worldwide where roads were closed or narrowed and traffic in the area decreased over time. People assume that the number of vehicle trips are fixed but they're not. If a road closes, people will use other routes or other methods of transport and, over time, won't make the trips at all.
hans aus dtschl wrote: I personally would prefer Galway to get equivalent sustainable transport spend instead of the cost of the proposed road. Amsterdam Haarlem Barcelona Frankfurt are "hemmed in" if that's where your focus is. I don't think the topography is a strong argument either way in this discussion.
Sam Russell wrote: A ring road. You cannot build a ring road in Galway because of the Corrib and Galway Bay - it takes a big chunk from the concept of a 'ring'. Goegraphy is against it.
Sam Russell wrote: If necessary, they should introduce free fares for a period and see how full the buses get, and how empty the roads get. It would still need bus lanes though.
what_traffic wrote: Its not the only FU to public that I see in that satellite photo. Spot the no of proper pedestrian crossings at GMIT?
McGiver wrote: » This is a big problem in the East. No pedestrian crossings or at wrong places. The whole place was designed for cars not for people. This is the core issue and will require almost a paradigm change.
Carol25 wrote: » You can’t force people onto a substandard public transport system on substandard roads and practically non existent rail systems.
what_traffic wrote: » I have no idea as to why exactly you are quoting my post about the Galway City Council proposals for the Galway City Transportation Strategy?https://connachttribune.ie/citys-bus-car-and-cycle-strategy-to-progress-in-the-autumn-600/ Your post should be a standalone post. It has no relevance at all too what I posted.
Carol25 wrote: » How are the businesses and people of Galway supposed to function with even less road capacity and no properly developed infrastructure for public transport offered as an alternative? How is footfall to be affected? How is this a good idea in marketing Galway as a place to do business, live and work in the future?.
Carol25 wrote: » Are the tourists, people of the West Galway and the people of Connemara (which one poster here seems to deem non-existent) not entitled to a proper road and access to the City? Where do the cars/buses, etc, fit? Quincentennial Bridge is full to capacity.
Carol25 wrote: » I could go on but most people on here seem to have decided that for some illogical reason, Galway, who is a city crying out for more roads and infrastructure is the crux of climate change issues, global warming and evolving from cars. This is a very valid debate and I fully support people using more public transport initiatives where viable. However it is not a valid argument for the City in its current state.
Carol25 wrote: » I have seen reports of groups of children cycling to school in the mornings, supervised. This is a fantastic initiative, which would be even less dangerous for the children and adults involved if a ring road/bypass existed for most of the heavy traffic. Freeing up city roads for cycle and bus lanes.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You don't need to force anyone to do anything, but mass transit can be the most attractive option by having a high frequency timetable and reliable journey times. This comes with bus lanes The biggest barrier to Galways growth is its roads which have reached capacity for private cars. Only way to increase capacity further is through modal shifts to sustainable transport (bikes, walking, buses etc) You are making the same mistake a lot of folks who like to rant and rave make. You are assuming that there will be no more access, ever again. Access will be there for those who need it but driving a single occupancy car into Galway should be a poor option resulting in poor journey times and high costs. Can be avoided by provision of rapid service park and rides That's not what is being said. Why do we need a bypass to allow kids to cycle on the streets of Galway? Now, take all of what I said and add that I'm a bypass supporter.
Sam Russell wrote: » There is no one forcing anyone onto public transport. As for nonexistent roads, I think you should look back a bit at the last 50 years, say since Digital Corporation set up in Galway, at all of 'traffic improvements' in Galway. This is not an exhaustive list. Shop street was made one way to facilitate traffic. Eyre Square was reworked to facilitate traffic. Anew road was built joining Prospect Hill with Foster St. along with more one ways to ease traffic. A few relief roads round the docks, and more one way schemes. Quincentenial bridge was built. (but no provision for PT.) This was to ease traffic crossing the Corrib. There were several 'improvements' to the Tuam Road, with the addition and then subtraction of a few roundabouts. The roundabout off the QCB was built and adjusted a few times. Again no attention to the needs of cyclist or PT. Botha Na dTreabh was built and a few roundabouts were put in to ease traffic. They were then taken out to ease traffic. The M6 was built to ease traffic, ending in the Coolagh Roundabout - the scene of many traffic queues at busy time, and even gets its own slot on AA Roadwatch every morning. The M17 and M18 were built to provide easy access for traffic from Tuam into Galway avoiding that traffic block, Claregalway, and the M18 would have all towns south to Gort or even Ennis to quickly access Galway. However, we now know, most traffic goes the old way. So, now Galway needs a new road to solve all its problems the Outer Ring Road. It is time to try the bus option. Maybe if it was a shiny new Luas costing a few hundred million euros it might get popular support. Well, Dublin has two Luas lines, so it would be only right if Galway got at least one. One full bus carries more than 50 cars. A lot of buses can be bought and run for 20 years for €600 million.
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