JCX BXC wrote: » It's SNN not 'Shn'.
Cookiemunster wrote: » I doubt any contract would have covered the situation where every 737 MAX in the world would be grounded indefinitely and Norwegian don't have the spare 738 frames to fulfill the flights.
turbbo wrote: » Norwegian are still running flights through Dublin and taking up the slack from Cork and Shannon. To say that Shannon would accept this as the solution without any compensation would explain a lot about the airport and it's management. I'm not expecting Norwegian to order more planes but actually alternate the flights from the 3 airports to at least spread the pain to all 3 airports rather than awarding 1 a gift.
Phileas Frog wrote: » but it's a lot easier to get from anywhere in the country to Dublin airport than it is to Shannon.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Alternating between 3 airports would cost Norwegian a fortune. They're already a loss making company losing more money over this so it's never going to happen. They have a base in Dublin with multiple daily flights, so it makes financial and organisational sense to move everything to Dublin. Shannon can't demand anything as they can't force any airline to fly from there.
turbbo wrote: » In that case Shannon would have had grounds to sue Norwegian you can be sure compensation was paid.
JCX BXC wrote: » 1+1≠100 You seem to assume that Norwegian have a duty to Shannon airport! You remember how often Ryanair has ran into and pulled out of airports in Ireland? That was intentional! Norwegian had no choice.
turbbo wrote: » Duty in the form of a legal document called a contract. - I get your point that Shannon are struggling to get these contracts and that Norwegian had this angle covered already in their contract - which could be quite possible. Which begs the question how can Shannon survive if it keeps losing routes?
JCX BXC wrote: » The thing is, you've self admitted that you also don't know, so are you playing conspiracy theories to see if you get agreement somewhere along the line, or just toying with potential technicalities?
turbbo wrote: » Duty in the form of a legal document called a contract. - I get your point that Shannon are struggling to get these contracts and that Norwegian had this angle covered already in their contract - which could be quite possible. Which begs the question how can Shannon survive if it keeps losing routes, and can only ever get scrappy contracts?
turbbo wrote: » Yeah and what is wrong with that? I see a lot of assumptions here on this thread already about what Norwegian have are and will do. Is this not allowed?
Cookiemunster wrote: » What Norwegian have actually already done and said that they're going to do is not an assumption. It's fact.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Norwegian haven't cancelled anything after May, so Providence and Stewart are still active destinations.
turbbo wrote: » Yeah facts.....funny you should mention that.....
Cookiemunster wrote: » Norwegian haven't officially cancelled anything out of Shannon after June yet. Fact.
turbbo wrote: » A fact that is useless to anybody that booked a flight with them from Shannon after June and have to take that flight out of Dublin. Just because it's a FACT with the caveat that it's not "officially cancelled". It's a FACT with bull$hit attached.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Christ almighty. An unforseen unique situation has happened which is completely outside anyone but Boeings control. Norwegian have decided not to take the nuclear option of cancelling everything (unlike AC) and are trying their best to accommodate their passengers. It's not perfect, but if you can't understand that they're making the best of a bad situation, then I give up. It's not Norwegians fault. It's not Shannons fault. If you've got an axe to grind, then it should be with Boeing.
turbbo wrote: » Yeah that makes total sense. Somebody get a map for Phileas.:D:D
Phileas Frog wrote: » It makes perfect sense. Where do all the aircoach / eir eagle / Dublin coach / citylink etc go? Where do most of the motorways in the country lead to? Where do most of the train lines go to? Hint - it's not Shannon!
Phileas Frog wrote: » but it's a lot easier to get from anywhere in the country to Dublin airport than it is to Shannon
turbbo wrote: » I'll remind you of what you posted: It makes no sense - how could it be easier to get to Dublin if you live a lot closer to Shannon? To respond to the rest of your comment - there are motorways all the way back to Shannon from Dublin - with a short part dual carriageway. Also motorway all the way as far north as Tuam. Pretty sure buses run to Shannon too. It's not like it's badly serviced in terms of road links!
Brennans Row wrote: » Lufthansa (Boeing 747) flight LH405 from New York (JFK) to Frankfurt diverted to Shannon this morning. Reason unknown.
mdmix wrote: » Maybe Shannon do the same, I don’t know but I have never seen anything published.
https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase.asp?PID=109729&HL=0&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders Shannon Airport Authority DAC (SAA) is seeking a market research partner to execute a comprehensive customer research programme, investigate the decision-making processes of residents within the airport’s catchment area when deciding which airport to fly from, gain a full insight into their current perceptions of Shannon Airport, and reveal their needs and requirements for the future. Response deadline (Irish time) 31-03-2017 16:00
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/shannon-to-draw-up-masterplan-to-help-secure-future-of-airport-35535705.html March 16 2017 2:30 AM Shannon Airport is to draw up a new masterplan with the aid of a major research project that will start next month which aims to provide the foundation for a stronger commercial offering. It also wants to develop a strong brand proposition for the airport, which handled 1.74 million passengers last year, a figure that was virtually unchanged on 2015..... In 2012, the then Transport Minister, Leo Varadkar, said that unless Shannon Airport could grow its passenger numbers to 2.5 million by 2021, it had "no future".
https://www.shannonairport.ie/passengers/news-media/latest-news/2018/shannon-airport-capitalises-on-%E2%82%AC40-million-investm/https://www.limerickpost.ie/2018/10/12/the-airport-that-wants-to-make-it-easy/http://www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airport-launches-major-marketing-campaign/http://clareherald.com/2018/10/shannon-airport-launches-major-new-marketing-campaign-11876/ October 9, 2018 Shannon Airport is to build on its record level of investment with the launch of a major new marketing campaign. Following an extensive market research programme, involving over 8,000 of its customers, Shannon Airport today has unveiled its new campaign ‘Shannon Airport – making it easy’. The aim of the campaign is to highlight the ease of the passenger experience, for travellers through Shannon Airport and it is building on the airport’s €40 million five year investment programme.
mdmix wrote: » I have commented on the need for Shannon to be a bit more proactive in marketing especially to companies in the region. Here is an example of cork airport doing just that (cork chamber of commerce did the survey).https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/firms-want-frankfurt-nyc-routes-from-cork-airport-922267.html Maybe Shannon do the same, I don’t know but I have never seen anything published.
Cookiemunster wrote: » So Cork Chamber (not Cork Airport) do a survey about the airport and you use it to have another dig at Shannon. Have you checked to see if Limerick or Clare chambers have done similar surveys about Shannon?
https://www.ennischamber.ie/participate-in-shannon-airport-survey-and-get-rewarded/ To assist Shannon Airport in its task, the Chambers in Shannon, Ennis, Limerick and Galway have agreed to issue a survey to their members. The purpose of this survey is to ascertain corporate travel demands and patterns. The link to this survey is: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/DY2H8WL In appreciation of your time, and your willingness to assist in the process of winning new airline business for Shannon, Shannon Airport is offering 5 x €100 Duty Free shopping vouchers and 5 x €100 Flyshannon.ie vouchers as prizes to be raffled amongst people who complete the survey. We would appreciate if you could complete the survey on or before COB Wednesday, 27 July 2016.
