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False Prophet

Fromvert wrote: »

If they needed to kill another dragon, last week was a perfect time for that to happen

- Mid air fight with another dragon that leads to him crashing to the ground?
- No
- Thousands of ice zombies swarm him?
- No. We'll use one of those oversized arrows we've shoehorned into the story.
- Ok so how will we set this up?
- You know her enemies?
- Cersei and Euron the ****ing pirate who is much better at seafaring than her, has already destroyed her fleet once before and where she happens to be right now?
- Yes she forgot about him. Bam! Three arrows out of no where!

Get the **** out of here you lazy ****!

Again I enjoyed large chunks of the episode but some of the stupidity in it is infuriating.

Think the idea is more to have cersei and euron kill the dragon, so that it shows that either side can win the final battle and more importantly that they can kill a dragon not just the night king.

She is after surviving the night king, nearly lost her dragons, lost most of her army and found out her lover is her nephew. I think that allows her to be distracted and be surprised by an ambush.

Fromvert

I can understand Brienne breaking down. Her whole life she has shut herself off from letting her emotions have any affect on her. The one time in her life she lets her guard down and thinks she's with the man she loves and it's thrown right back in her face. And it definitely wasn't a day or two later, they had probably been together for at least a few weeks if not months at this stage.

Fromvert

False Prophet wrote: »

Think the idea is more to have cersei and euron kill the dragon, so that it shows that either side can win the final battle and more importantly that they can kill a dragon not just the night king.

She is after surviving the night king, nearly lost her dragons, lost most of her army and found out her lover is her niece. I think that allows her to be distracted and be surprised by an ambush.

Yeah I get that they need Cersei and Euron to look like legitimate foes but it was a hamfisted way to achieve it. We've already seen the crossbow can break through and old dragon skull and Dany knows they have them from the battle last season.

nix

I doubt thats the last we have seen of the wildlings, i predict them, Dorne army and the remaining Yara Greyjoy fleet will arrive just in time to turn the tide in a predictable Hollywood fashion. :pac:

False Prophet

Fromvert wrote: »

Yeah I get that they need Cersei and Euron to look like legitimate foes but it was a hamfisted way to achieve it. We've already seen the crossbow can break through and old dragon skull and Dany knows they have them from the battle last season.

Yep but they need to make dany the mad queen or at least angry enough to attack the capital and kill the innocent, so getting them killing her child and maybe only close friend is moving her in that direction.
Wasnt many other options in how they could achieve this.

Maybe have the arrows shout from the island when they land perhaps but not sure that would have worked better

Penn

RickBlaine wrote: »

And if this is the last we see of Tormund, he really deserved to die in a blaze of glory in last week's episode.

I had a feeling he'd survive. He's the only wildling whose name we know. I didn't think they'd head back North once the war was won, but I knew he'd survive and be the leader of the wildlings.

nix

Also with all the time we would have had to assume has passed to explain the teleport traveling going on, shouldn't Cersei be fully blown baby bump at this stage? :pac:

Heck Gilly was found out straight away and shes well behind Cersei

Lone Stone

i dont think jamie and briene would ever happen felt like some sort of fan fiction ****e. enjoyed the rest of the show, still glum over last weeks episode with the NK cop out.

Tazzimus

pickarooney wrote: »

Nope. The actor is not particularly tall. Jon Snow must be tiny.

He is. Sansa is taller than him

Yermande

Lone Stone wrote: »

i dont think jamie and briene would ever happen felt like some sort of fan fiction ****e. enjoyed the rest of the show, still glum over last weeks episode with the NK cop out.

It's hardly fan fiction when the sexual tension between both of them has been fundamental to their relationship and goes back entire seasons.

Paddy Cow

False Prophet wrote: »

Yep but they need to make dany the mad queen or at least angry enough to attack the capital and kill the innocent, so getting them killing her child and maybe only close friend is moving her in that direction.
Wasnt many other options in how they could achieve this.

Maybe have the arrows shout from the island when they land perhaps but not sure that would have worked better

The story isn't the problem - it's the execution. One of the dragons had to die. That's fair enough. What was ridiculous was they hit Rhaegal 2/3 times with accuracy yet completely missed Dany when she was dive bombing them and they had nearly 10 of the things pointed directly at her.

One thing they got right at the beginning of the show was when Sansa put the wolf pin on Theon. It was a nice little touch and a great send off for him. It's details like that which make it such a good show. But then it's cheapened when they pull stunts like with Euron. They could've done it so much better. I thought they got the killing of Missandei spot on and Emily Clarke was brilliant in that scene. You can clearly see she's cracked.

sabat

Was that the first time Jamie rode someone who wasn't his sister?

Paddy Cow

nix wrote: »

Also with all the time we would have had to assume has passed to explain the teleport traveling going on, shouldn't Cersei be fully blown baby bump at this stage? :pac:

Heck Gilly was found out straight away and shes well behind Cersei

No. It's only been 2-3 weeks since the Long Night.

In the first season it took Robert 1 month to get from KL to Winterfell and that was them taking their merry time. Jon and his army left Winterfell within days of the battle. They are marching, so would make quicker time than Robert. Dany still had two weeks to wait for Jon to arrive so he's probably been travelling already for two weeks. Gilly is a lot further along than Cersei. Shouldn't her and Sam have to get married now so the child isn't a bastard?

Paddy Cow

sabat wrote: »

Was that the first time Jamie rode someone who wasn't his sister?

Yes. He told Catelyn Stark that he's always been faithful to Cersei and taunted her that it made him more honourable than Ned, who apparently fathered a bastard.

Twenty Grand

I quite like how they're killing dragons.

They've been talked up by everyone as immortal, game changing weapons of war, but they've been injured in near every encounter (save attacking the ships at Mereen)

Obv the incredible accuracy, then Storm trooper inaccuracy of the ballista aside.

Tikki Wang Wang

From bad to worse. This really has gone down the toilet in a big way. They are taking the pish at this stage. Maybe they are trolling the fans. It really is the pits. Absolute muck now. Boring drivel. Only I have watched from the start I’d give up on the last 2 episodes.

IAMAMORON

I would say poor Ygritte's ashes are getting the creeps at this stage.

Sonics2k

I'd genuinely love to see the people moaning in this thread write a better show. Like seriously, calm down lads.

Certainly there's some issues, namely the whole time issue, in which characters seemingly travel vast distances with little time passing, but that's been going on for years now.

Overall actually, I preferred that episode for the season. It set up a lot of intrigue, plots between Varys and Tyrion. Varys seemingly changing his allegiances, Tyirons struggle with the same. Jon's honour blinding him to the obvious madness in Daenerys and of course the culmination of Daenerys going darker and darker over the last few years.

Personally I got Brienne crying. She'd finally emotionally and physically opened up to a man she seemed to have loved for a long time, only for him to turn away despite the good man he'd become, to return to the woman who'll probably try to have him killed on sight.

[Deleted User]

I'd have liked one season that purely dealt with the NK and the final season episode to focus on Cersei and the iron throne.

This season does feel notably rushed compared to previous seasons, and not all for the better

Jamiekelly

D&D's logic in choosing what to write never ceases to amaze me

25 minutes of celebration after the war despite only having 3-4 hours to finish the entire story - fine, no problem.
Cutting away as Jon is about to tell Arya and Sansa he's a Targaryen - fine, not like it's something that NEEDED to be seen.
Having Tyrion and Daenerys stand a few hundred feet in front of Cersei as she makes a declaration of war - fine, makes no sense in any way, but they need another pointless confrontation.

GRRM said there should have been two full seasons left to finish the show properly and it really is ringing true right now. He wouldn't have wasted so much time at Winterfell, he would have actually bothered to write a reaction from Sansa and Arya at the biggest plot point in the whole show and he never would have written that last scene as it makes a serious jump in logic that no one would believe. Why would Cersei not just kill Tyrion and Dany there and then knowing there is probably no better opportunity to win the war so quickly.

I suppose that's just what you get when you make the man who wrote X-Men Origins Wolverine the main showrunner. The same guy who wrote Deadpool into a corner despite him being known in the comics as the "Merc with the mouth". So David Benioff decides to sew deadpools mouth shut for the final battle. Not the smartest writer in Hollywood and I have a feeling he's going to butcher the ending to Game Of Thrones just like he did with the X-Men/Deadpool universe.

expectationlost

those were incredibly neat funeral pyres

Mokuba

Sonics2k wrote: »

culmination of Daenerys going darker and darker over the last few years.

What show were you watching?

With the exception of the Tarly execution, can you give me 3 other instances where Dany was clearly going crazy, and it was presented to the viewer in a negative way?

is_that_so

Yermande wrote: »

It's hardly fan fiction when the sexual tension between both of them has been fundamental to their relationship and goes back entire seasons.

I think some people are fretting over all the 'shipping that inhabits some TV shows is going on here. I thought it was natural enough here even if the farewell was a bit overwrought.

biggebruv

Another dragon why god why you do this to me lol

Great episode had a mix of everything roll on next week

North of 32

I didn't much enjoy that, it was a weak episode. I'd even say it was bad. The only interesting tension was Tyrion and Varys turning against Daenerys. They even ruined 2 characters in Jaime and Brienne.

And go way to fúck to all the precious, GoT-Pearl-Clutchers in this thread.

''Ohh, people are only interested in fighting and sex, any true fan would have enjoyed that episode and the scheming''. Fúck off with your gatekeeping. It's a thread of opinions. If you enjoyed it, good for you, but stop trying to claim some weird high-ground and sneer at those who didn't like it (and have valid reasons).

[Deleted User]

So so much better than last week. GoT back to doing what it does best.

[Deleted User]

The ambush was a bit ridiculous and Emilia Clark can't act for **** though. Can't see why Tyrion wasn't turned into a pin cushion.

uncleoswald

Cripes, I'm glad I've given this thread a wide berth until now. I do think the show's quality has slipped as it races towards the end and leaves behind the safety of the books, but the level of nitpickery on here is another level. So what if we don't see Missandei get scooped up from the water? Maybe a whole load of them were captured and executed and Missandei was recognised from her trip to King's Landing and brought to the queen. Do you need to have your hand held through everything?

Mokuba wrote: »

Convenient how this is the first time since the opening scene that Jon has ridden a horse. I guess they needed him on the horse so they could kill off the dragon! Would have been a bit awks if he was on the dragon like he has been since half way through episode 1. RIP Rhaegal, strong enough to take down an undead dragon, killed during a surprise attack by evil Jack Sparrow.

Didn't they deal with this in the show? Rhaegal had been injured in the fight so because of that, and maybe the fact that Dany was a little jealous of the attention Jon was getting, decided that he shouldn't ride the dragon on this occasion.

Mokuba wrote: »

Remarkable how the Targaryens even managed to conquer Westeros with dragons before, considering how easily they are picked off. Aren't they lucky that Qyburn wasn't around then or they wouldn't have lasted a week.

It's almost like technology advances over time isn't it?

Mokuba wrote: »

Why not just kill Bronn off last season when Dany attacked the Lannister army! Speaking of, did he just walk into Winterfell carrying a crossbow like an idiot? Lucky he knew everyone in the show are idiots now or he might not have made it!

Why would Bronn stand out in Winterfell? I'd say he'd fit right in with everyone else carrying weapons around.

Mokuba wrote: »

Why did the exterior of Kings Landing look like the exterior of Qarth? What a joke.

Because all natural resources in the area would have been harvested for the war effort. Winterfell looked the same. It was a nice touch.

Mokuba wrote: »

I love the camera cuts this episode. Sansa and Arya about to hear about Jons parentage in what should be a pivotal moment. CUT AWAY. Sansa about to tell Tyrion about Jons parentage, screw what surely would have been a great scene, lets CUT AWAY. Off screen reactions to the biggest revelation in series history is tight!

Because it would just be another scene telling the audience information we already know. Writers do their best to avoid this.

Mokuba wrote: »

Dany going full mad queen is so rushed and the only thing from before this season that anybody could point to is the burning of the Tarlys. Could they not have set it up a little more if they knew it was going to be the endgame of the show?

Mokuba wrote: »

What show were you watching?

With the exception of the Tarly execution, can you give me 3 other instances where Dany was clearly going crazy, and it was presented to the viewer in a negative way?

They have certainly been setting up that Daenerys is prone to be blinded by her belief that she should have absolute rule. Her advisers have consistently tried to curb her worst instincts and the show is trying to tell us that she is feeling increasingly isolated in Westeros.

[Deleted User]

Where were Tyrion and Varys in the scene when they were talking about Daenerys and the crown? It looked like a throne room.

J. Marston

Deleted User wrote: »

Where were Tyrion and Varys in the scene when they were talking about Daenerys and the crown? It looked like a throne room.

Dragonstone.