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Mokuba wrote: »

No, it's just terrible television and a sad, sad end to what used to be a really good show.

Yeah.. this is it really..
At this stage I'm like 'who gives a f*ck'..
Arya will probably sneak in with some other face and kill Cersei..meh..

Penn

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Arya could easily kill Cersei. She killed all of the Freys, she'd only have to kill one person here. The thing is though that this is all a plot convenience for the big twist that I read from the leaks, that I won't spoil here, but won't actually come as any surprise to most people (as they are flagging it up like mad).

This big show down between the two queens is what this series has been leading up to. The fact that either side could bring it to a very decisive end is going to be ignored for the plot.

Daenerys and all her top advisers (and a sitting dragon) stand within ballista range of King's Landing's walls (which are now in the desert apparently). Cersei just lets Tyrion walk back to his squad after executing Missandei... she just... does.

Arya could probably walk right in and kill Cersei. However, it's highly unlikely she'd do it for Dany, or even because Jon asks her to, especially now knowing he's a Targaryan. They're not ignoring Arya's skills for the plot, it's because they know Arya wouldn't just agree to it, even if she wants Cersei dead. If Arya's off to kill Cersei, she's doing it for herself, not for them.

lawlolawl wrote: »

Also, why bring Missandei.

Is it normal to bring your translator with you everywhere in a country where everyone speaks the same language?

She started off as a translator, but since then she's regularly been introduced as one of Dany's most trusted advisors. But she's obviously also Dany's best (probably only) friend.

OneOfThem Stumbled

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Can someone tell me why they went south with a 20 man army and the 2 dragons? Surely she must have known her dragons would be vulnerable and that they would have a plan to kill off the dragons. What was she thinking complete madness.

Because they have controlled Dragonstone since the beginning of Season 7, so that's where they were heading to. I'm not sure how you hide a fleet beside an island held by your enemy, but apparently Euron manages to do that. Might be black magic or whatnot.

lawlolawl

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Can someone tell me why they went south with a 20 man army and the 2 dragons? Surely she must have known her dragons would be vulnerable and that they would have a plan to kill off the dragons. What was she thinking complete madness.

Also, why bring Missandei.

Is it normal to bring your translator with you everywhere in a country where everyone speaks the same language?

OneOfThem Stumbled

Mokuba wrote: »

Seeing as people know what Arya is capable of, why hasn't anyone made her integral to the plot of killing Cersei? Considering they want to just siege the city initially, why not just send Arya in. You have established that she can sneak past hordes of people, wear faces to disguise her identity and kill main characters with ease. Just wait outside and let Arya do it!

Arya could easily kill Cersei. She killed all of the Freys, she'd only have to kill one person here. The thing is though that this is all a plot convenience for the big twist that I read from the leaks, that I won't spoil here, but won't actually come as any surprise to most people (as they are flagging it up like mad).

This big show down between the two queens is what this series has been leading up to. The fact that either side could bring it to a very decisive end is going to be ignored for the plot.

Daenerys and all her top advisers (and a sitting dragon) stand within ballista range of King's Landing's walls (which are now in the desert apparently). Cersei just lets Tyrion walk back to his squad after executing Missandei... she just... does.

Mantis Toboggan

Can someone tell me why they went south with a 20 man army and the 2 dragons? Surely she must have known her dragons would be vulnerable and that they would have a plan to kill off the dragons. What was she thinking complete madness.

Mokuba

Where do I even begin with this utter mess.

Ramsey's 20 good men had nothing on Euron's 20 good boats, able to avoid detection from airborne dragons and a woman actively surveying the landscape by hiding behind a small piece of rock. Then firing 3 critical hit arrows at a dragon from behind that rock that they surely couldn't see over at a far away quickly moving target, on an unstable firing platform! Then, to make it even better, they miss what seems like 10 arrows at the bigger dragon right in front of them. They must have read the script and seen that Drogon needed to live, so they missed. They then decimate Dany's fleet, for the LOLs.
Convenient how this is the first time since the opening scene that Jon has ridden a horse. I guess they needed him on the horse so they could kill off the dragon! Would have been a bit awks if he was on the dragon like he has been since half way through episode 1. RIP Rhaegal, strong enough to take down an undead dragon, killed during a surprise attack by evil Jack Sparrow.
Dan and Dave said in the inside the episode "while Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet and Euron's forces" - What the absolute f*ck is this nonsense. They just discussed them in like the last scene. How do you forget about an entire fleet who has defeated you repeatedly before?!? Whoopsie Rhaegal, I just forgot! Sorry!
Remarkable how the Targaryens even managed to conquer Westeros with dragons before, considering how easily they are picked off. Aren't they lucky that Qyburn wasn't around then or they wouldn't have lasted a week.
Seeing as people know what Arya is capable of, why hasn't anyone made her integral to the plot of killing Cersei? Considering they want to just siege the city initially, why not just send Arya in. You have established that she can sneak past hordes of people, wear faces to disguise her identity and kill main characters with ease. Just wait outside and let Arya do it!
How about asking Bran to warg into some crows and scout ahead? Hey Bran, we are having this big war council meeting, would you mind doing the only thing you are good for to see what we are up against and if any surprises lie in store? Doing so would virtually assure our victory. Nah, every character is an idiot now.
And on Arya, how comical is it that she almost hits Gendry with an arrow to begin their scene? Every scene with Arya must be written with her key character trait on display. Arya = badass.
What was the point of the Bronn scene? What a bloody disaster. Cersei promises him riches if he kills Tyrion and Jaime. Tyrion and Jaime offer to double it as we knew they would. They don't die via Bronn's hand as everybody expected. There is no tension at all! Why not just kill Bronn off last season when Dany attacked the Lannister army! Speaking of, did he just walk into Winterfell carrying a crossbow like an idiot? Lucky he knew everyone in the show are idiots now or he might not have made it!
Why does Dany say that Cersei is growing stronger? She isn't going to grow any stronger. She has hit her peak in terms of army and support. It's literally just Cersei, Euron and the Golden Company. SHe has no other lords or lands supporting her. They even say Dany has the support of Dorne! Dany has everything to gain from waiting and everything to lose by quickly attacking for no reason. Dany is the one who will grow stronger by waiting. But of course, shes an idiot now.
Why wouldn't Cersei just kill Dany, Tyrion, Grey Worm, Varys and the 40 unsullied, the dragon who dies with 3 shots of the ballista that they have like 10 of on the wall. She didn't help them against the dead, we have established that she does not keep her word. For her not to kill them all is actually against her character!
Why did the exterior of Kings Landing look like the exterior of Qarth? What a joke.
Why would Euron not react to Tyrion knowing Cersei is pregnant? She just told him 5 minutes ago. How would Tyrion possibly know that information. Nope, Euron needs to be an idiot in this scene, that's what the script says.
I like how Jon doesn't even pet the direwolf that has been his most loyal companion for years and GUARDED HIS DEAD BODY. Gilly gets a warm hug ?!?! Ghost gets a gaze.
Tyrion laughing about Tysha as part of a drinking game. HAHA Jaime I had a wife before Sansa LOL. What a disaster of a moment.
I love the camera cuts this episode. Sansa and Arya about to hear about Jons parentage in what should be a pivotal moment. CUT AWAY. Sansa about to tell Tyrion about Jons parentage, screw what surely would have been a great scene, lets CUT AWAY. Off screen reactions to the biggest revelation in series history is tight!
It's a good job that Euron knew how much everyone liked Missandei. Hmm. Wait.. How did he know that? How did he know who she was?
When they are knocking pieces off the board in the war chamber and they are knocking off half the dothraki and unsullied - what? did they not die? how did they survive? there seemed to be like 10 people left fighting inside the castle. Maybe they were sneaking around the library like Arya.
Dany going full mad queen is so rushed and the only thing from before this season that anybody could point to is the burning of the Tarlys. Could they not have set it up a little more if they knew it was going to be the endgame of the show?

What a complete and utter disaster this show has become. Completely ruined at this point. In before any combination of - Nerd! Wierdo! You believe in dragons but you don't believe in X?! It's hipster to dislike something popular!

No, it's just terrible television and a sad, sad end to what used to be a really good show.

ERG89

PressRun wrote: »

I just can't stand Euron. They've obviously just been trying to fill the one-dimensional villain role since Joffrey died. First they tried it with Ramsay and now this guy. He's just so predictable. I actually don't even think there'll be any satisfaction in seeing him killed, he's that tedious. I didn't get any enjoyment in seeing him take out a dragon tbh.

Imo that was the dumbest reason to kill the night king, even though he had no real character development but at least he had screen presence. Euron locked up Yara who was then rescued and threw Balon off a bridge. Definitely was a character who's name I forgot with the break between the last 2 seasons.
Ramsay Snow like Joffrey was a great b@stard villain as he had seasons to build up his character to his eventual demise; Euron showed up late in season 6 & the height of his villainy this season was killing a dragon and riding Cersei. Honestly someone like Bronn would be better in his role as at least viewers care about him over the length of the entire series but apparently IRL he doesn't get along with Lena Hedley at all :rolleyes:
Plus his relationship with Jaime would make it more interesting.

[Deleted User]

Penn wrote: »

Unless Jorah was hiding some dragon eggs where the sun doesn't shine, I'd say we could start laughing at you now

I think, reading Dany's lips, she was actually saying... "If only you had asked!". Which might have explained an unexpected rising. :pac:

PressRun

Another weird one.
There were aspects of it I liked - the return of Cersei is welcome. She's a terrific character and brilliantly played. Probably the character I've enjoyed most since season one, so was glad to see her back in the mix. And Varys had plenty to say which I enjoyed, I liked his scenes with Tyrion. The political scheming has always been more interesting to me than the white walker stuff, so I'm glad to get back to that.

On to the bad:
Still don't understand what they've done with Tyrion's character though - he seems a bit of a fool now? His trying to defend Danerys to Varys seemed odd. I guess he's frightened of her, like he sort of admitted to Sansa, but it still seems like his character has been dumbed down a bit.

The scene with Bronn bursting in on Jamie and Tyrion drinking was poor, and Jamie and Brienne wasn't believable to me. The build up to their hooking up was cringeworthy stuff. Jamie sketching then was also confusing - whose side is he on? Does he think he's lying to himself by trying to live happily ever after with Brienne or something?

I just can't stand Euron. They've obviously just been trying to fill the one-dimensional villain role since Joffrey died. First they tried it with Ramsay and now this guy. He's just so predictable. I actually don't even think there'll be any satisfaction in seeing him killed, he's that tedious. I didn't get any enjoyment in seeing him take out a dragon tbh.

Skylinehead

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

The coffee cup speaks to how little examination the show maybe got after being written, produced and put together.

One of the best-produced series in history (Lord of the Rings) has a car in it. Mistakes happen.

WhiteMemento9

The coffee cup speaks to how little examination the show maybe got after being written, produced and put together. They are so paranoid about spoilers that very little oversight was probably given to anyone outside a very tight-knit group. Pity as they could have done with some objective criticism throughout the whole season.

Decent episode but that doesn't really cut it at this stage of the game.

weldoninhio

lawlolawl wrote: »

She apparently made the unusual decision to pilot her boat towards Eurons fleet.

So you think she’d have the only boat with an engine?? Or that she’s a qualified skipper??

Paddy Cow

awec wrote: »

How would Tyrion know what Cersei has told Euron?

Tyrion had no idea that Euron thinks the baby is his.

Tyrion wasn't doing it deliberately. It was the writers using him to let Euron know. So far Cersei has all the advantages. It's time to start some sh!t in her camp. Unless Euron is an absolute thicko, he'll have to have figured out he's not the father.

Tazzimus

Elmer Jones wrote: »

It seems extremely foolish not to at least try and protect your most valuable warriors.

If men can go into battle with armour on them I see no reason why a dragon can't.

If it isn't possible fine but at least have a small discussion about the possibility of it in the show.

They've had very clear evidence that the dragons are easy enough killed and done nothing to reduce that risk, it just smack of idiotic planning in order to move the plot forward.

Dragons have their own natural armour. Dragon scale is supposed to be practically like steel, so putting armour on them won't make much difference if the scorpion bolts can punch through their scales already.

lawlolawl

Deleted User wrote: »

She made it to shore with three others, Jym, Patryk and Baart. She exclaimed how dreadful their battered ships looked across the sea. She stayed five minutes on the sea edge looking for Greyworm, but she realised the tide had taken them further down the sea shore, so the four of them set off to walk along the shoreline. In fairness Jym thought it a better idea to go further inland, but was over ruled. They set out, but on the third bend they blundered (Jym kept mouthing off it was a bad idea) into a camp of Euron' soldiers.

She pretended to be a servant girl, but one of the guards recognised her from the season 7 get together climax and said, "Take her to our Queen".

Fade to black.

Better?

It's certainly better than stuff happening off screen just to dramitically advance the plot.

We're getting "a wizard did it" levels of script writing now.

False Prophet

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Massively this.

I read with envy the new viewers forum where people have been watching the entire series since Christmas. Lovely big fat binge watch and then straight into the finale. Nice.

Depends binge watching means less time for an episode to sink in. If you could control yourself and watch 1 a day then yep. Otherwise it would be spoilt by overindulgence.

[Deleted User]

lawlolawl wrote: »

She apparently made the unusual decision to pilot her boat towards Eurons fleet.

She made it to shore with three others, Jym, Patryk and Baart. She exclaimed how dreadful their battered ships looked across the sea. She stayed five minutes on the sea edge looking for Greyworm, but she realised the tide had taken them further down the sea shore, so the four of them set off to walk along the shoreline. In fairness Jym thought it a better idea to go further inland, but was over ruled. They set out, but on the third bend they blundered (Jym kept mouthing off it was a bad idea) into a camp of Euron' soldiers.

She pretended to be a servant girl, but one of the guards recognised her from the season 7 get together climax and said, "Take her to our Queen".

Fade to black.

Better?

Penn

Elmer Jones wrote: »

It seems extremely foolish not to at least try and protect your most valuable warriors.

If men can go into battle with armour on them I see no reason why a dragon can't.

If it isn't possible fine but at least have a small discussion about the possibility of it in the show.

They've had very clear evidence that the dragons are easy enough killed and done nothing to reduce that risk, it just smack of idiotic planning in order to move the plot forward.

I think nobody would be able to properly measure the dragons for armour, fit the armour to the dragons, all their resources/time were spent armouring the soldiers before the night king battle, and if the scorpion can shoot through the dragonscales, it'll go through the armour too. Plus the dragon was still shot through the neck, so even if the armour protected part of them, it's not going to protect their entire bodies.

OptimusTractor

lawlolawl wrote: »

She apparently made the unusual decision to pilot her boat towards Eurons fleet.

The closer she is to danger, the further she is from harm.

[Deleted User]

Elmer Jones wrote: »

If men can go into battle with armour on them I see no reason why a dragon can't.

Making them too heavy to fly, a lot less agile. The dragons seem to know their own mind/are tempermental, possibly wouldn't allow it.

lawlolawl

weldoninhio wrote: »

She got on a skiff (a small boat) so was obviously picked up by one of Eurons fleet.

She apparently made the unusual decision to pilot her boat towards Eurons fleet.

OneOfThem Stumbled

nix wrote: »

Say it with me, A Lannister always........

And why the **** does Tyrion (or anyone) always try to get through to Cersei? It has never worked.. ever.. not once!

Try ringing a bell behind her, I'm sure that would get her attention.

Twenty Grand

I liked this episode. Sets things up well and sets characters at odds with each other.

Never liked Missandei and the Grey Worm romance was bullsh*t filler.

It has the usual logic faults (how did Dany not see the ships, don't they bother scouting?) and warp travel from Winterfell to Dragonstone to KL.

I love the political intruige though and we're right back to it

Elmer Jones wrote: »

It seems extremely foolish not to at least try and protect your most valuable warriors.
.

I doubt armour would stop those missiles.
Obviously I don't know about the mechanics of dragon flying, but would a couple tons of steel make a difference?

Elmer Jones

False Prophet wrote: »

How would they go about making armour for a dragon?
How would they get the dragons to wear it. How much would wearing the armour cost them in regards maneuverability or weight. Plus they already are wearing natural armour, would wearing another thin sheet of armour make any difference.
Plus night king was dead so they wouldn't expect to be taken out by surprise like that.

It seems extremely foolish not to at least try and protect your most valuable warriors.

If men can go into battle with armour on them I see no reason why a dragon can't.

If it isn't possible fine but at least have a small discussion about the possibility of it in the show.

They've had very clear evidence that the dragons are easy enough killed and done nothing to reduce that risk, it just smack of idiotic planning in order to move the plot forward.

awec

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I think the point of that was for Euron to find out he's not the father and drive a wedge between him and Cersei.

How would Tyrion know what Cersei has told Euron?

Tyrion had no idea that Euron thinks the baby is his.

[Deleted User]

nix wrote: »

Bloody starbucks are everywhere, they've even opened up in Winterfell :rolleyes::pac:

Plus nobody spotted it. Seems some were right, it really is too darkly lit :pac::D

Paddy Cow

nix wrote: »

Say it with me, A Lannister always........

And why the **** does Tyrion (or anyone) always try to get through to Cersei? It has never worked.. ever.. not once!

I think the point of that was for Euron to find out he's not the father and drive a wedge between him and Cersei.

[Deleted User]

nix wrote: »

Bloody starbucks are everywhere, they've even opened up in Winterfell :rolleyes::pac:

Probably at least two, with less than a Sam Tarly arrow shot between them.

[Deleted User]

weldoninhio wrote: »

She got on a skiff (a small boat) so was obviously picked up by one of Eurons fleet.

It's as if some here need the battles to be shown in real time, so this episode would have been two hours longer, just showing the sea battle and the troops swimming ashore :rolleyes: