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BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

BorneTobyWilde

Modnote - Thread moved to new thread because the other one was near 10k posts.

Bangernomics part 5 here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057493741

Bangernomics rules:
Under €2000
Valid NCT
Something you'd actually drive yourself
VRT paid
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https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-bmw-520i-nct-05-18/15133222

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nct 5/18
2005

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at9qu5vp0wcix7

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Lads, what's a better car, 1.6 petrol or 1.8 tdci Mondeo, 2008

That particular 1.6 petrol is a great engine, but I had it in a car a few hundred kilos lighter than the Mondeo. The fuel economy above 100km/h wasn't great - probably down to it being paired with a 5 speed gearbox.

Old diesel

Interslice wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

The wet timing belt difficulty with the 1.8 tdci of that vintage makes the 1.6 petrol potentially a safer buy.

Theyve been known to break and even if the car is running okay now - it's a big enough (expensive) job to do.

The 2.0 TDCI would be better then either though ideally

2008 1.8 may or may not have a wet belt. Could just be a chain.

I thought mid 2007 was change over point????.

Edit I mean change over point for the engine going from chain to wet belt.

I though mid 07 was mentioned in the big thread that was running here at one stage on the wet belt issue.

colm_mcm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-93/21704317

TychoCaine

Yehuda Dry Rosebud wrote: »

That particular 1.6 petrol is a great engine, but I had it in a car a few hundred kilos lighter than the Mondeo. The fuel economy above 100km/h wasn't great - probably down to it being paired with a 5 speed gearbox.

The 1.8 diesel in the MK4 Mondeo has the wet belt, and it's a bugger to change. I have an 08 with the 1.6 petrol engine. It's power is adequate in a car that size, but only just. The engine is bullet proof, and costs pennies to fix if it ever does go wrong. The 5 speed gearbox is the standard yoke that's been in pretty much every Ford of that era, and my only gripe is a rather low top gear. The engine is buzzing away at 3,600rpm on the motorway. I'm getting 8.2l/100km, or 34MPG in old money, which isn't great. As mentioned previously, it's probably down to all the motorway driving I do.

Thargor

I said Id ask for a friend, any chance of a small van in this price range with tax/nct etc? Ill ask in the other thread aswell if the mods dont mind...

Glen_Quagmire

TychoCaine wrote:

The 1.8 diesel in the MK4 Mondeo has the wet belt, and it's a bugger to change. I have an 08 with the 1.6 petrol engine. It's power is adequate in a car that size, but only just. The engine is bullet proof, and costs pennies to fix if it ever does go wrong. The 5 speed gearbox is the standard yoke that's been in pretty much every Ford of that era, and my only gripe is a rather low top gear. The engine is buzzing away at 3,600rpm on the motorway. I'm getting 8.2l/100km, or 34MPG in old money, which isn't great. As mentioned previously, it's probably down to all the motorway driving I do.

Would the 2L petrol be a better shout?

Mad_Mike

colm_mcm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-93/21704317

Lovely looking car. Only concern is no mention of mileage apart from stating it had 165,000 when imported from the UK and it would appear the current owner owns it 6 years, so could be fairly steep, although it looks very fresh!

Mad_Mike

Thargor wrote: »

I said Id ask for a friend, any chance of a small van in this price range with tax/nct etc? Ill ask in the other thread aswell if the mods dont mind...

Do you mean a car/van?
Petrol or diesel?
Any particular size needed?

A van will have CVRT rather than NCT regardless of whether it is taxed commercially or privately

Also, if they are looking for one with tax, that too will depend on whether they plan to tax it commercial or private

johndaman66

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Would the 2L petrol be a better shout?

I had a 1.6 petrol Mondeo, 09 (I think) away back in the day for the bones of a week as a courtesy car from insurance when someone ran into the back of my Vectra and totalled it. Was actually a pleasant and adequately agile car to drive I thought at the time. When I say adequately agile enough I'm bearing in mind that on our roads 80 - 90% of the time you are only as fast as the red tail lamps of the driver in front of you. Don't get that confused with me saying it was a fast car. It certainly was a lot more nippy than a Mk1 1.4 Focus though. I had away too much going on at the time to be calculating fuel consumption but don't recall it being a pig on juice.

The 2.0 petrol is actually relatively ok on the CO2 tax at €710 but no doubt it'll scare a lot off which would make them not a bad used buy in that regard. By comparison the 1.6 petrol is €570 pa to tax on CO2 tax so not a hell of a lot in it. Don't assume the 2 litre will be near as frugal as the 1.6 petrol (even though there are whacko's out there who will try to convince you otherwise). Of course take potential difference in insurance cost into consideration also. The 1.6 petrol should be adequate for most for day to day driving though.

johndaman66

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-accord-2-2-ctdi-cheap-tax/20785678

2008 Accord 2.2 CDTi;
303K KM;
NCT 09/19;
€390 pa tax
Half leather;
On at €1,650

Interslice

Old diesel wrote: »

I thought mid 2007 was change over point????.

Edit I mean change over point for the engine going from chain to wet belt.

I though mid 07 was mentioned in the big thread that was running here at one stage on the wet belt issue.

TychoCaine wrote: »

The 1.8 diesel in the MK4 Mondeo has the wet belt, and it's a bugger to change. I have an 08 with the 1.6 petrol engine.

I was investigating this myself to see if I could pick up a cheap tax 2008 mondeo with a chain. As far as i could gather mondeos built after 10/07 have the wet belt so its only really the odd late reg that will be a 2008 and will probably still be taxed on the old cc system. You could safely say if it a 2008 on the CO2 tax it has a wet belt.

Glen_Quagmire

The seller has pushed the price up from 1950 to 2500 on DD for the 1.6 petrol. That's the deal breaker for me. The search continues

Toyotafanboi

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mk3-vw-golf-gti/21783577

€2250, would you drive it away for €2k?

The Mk3 is about as unloved as the Mk6 and rightly so but that's a nice colour and nice spec with the seats. I think polished up it'd be lovely. Not old old, but a cheap way to get into older cars you could out that on display at any classic day out IMO and you could still daily it.

Maybe I'm mad :pac:

cletus

Interslice wrote: »

I was investigating this myself to see if I could pick up a cheap tax 2008 mondeo with a chain. As far as i could gather mondeos built after 10/07 have the wet belt so its only really the odd late reg that will be a 2008 and will probably still be taxed on the old cc system. You could safely say if it a 2008 on the CO2 tax it has a wet belt.

I'm thinking of having a look at a 2011 Mondeo estate with the 1.8 diesel engine, but the last page or so of this thread has me thinking. How much of an issue is the wet belt on the MK4?

colm_mcm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mk3-vw-golf-gti/21783577

€2250, would you drive it away for €2k?

The Mk3 is about as unloved as the Mk6 and rightly so but that's a nice colour and nice spec with the seats. I think polished up it'd be lovely. Not old old, but a cheap way to get into older cars you could out that on display at any classic day out IMO and you could still daily it.

Maybe I'm mad :pac:

They will undoubtedly go up in value soon, but there’s no way I’d pay that much for something so slow.

Toyotafanboi

Yeah, 3.0 fuel economy, 2.0 tax and 1.0 performance. It's still a good time to buy that car though I'd say.

Glen_Quagmire

What would be the real BHP from these GTIs today?

Toyotafanboi

115 new so 70 or 80 maybe? Laughable really when 1.0's are doing that these days.

Glen_Quagmire

Toyotafanboi wrote:

115 new so 70 or 80 maybe? Laughable really when 1.0's are doing that these days.

Good f%ck that's poor. When you look at it that way that's big money to be asking

somefeen

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2006-opel-vectra-estate-1-8-5dr-/21230052

Any thoughts on this?

Need a car for work and just want something to keep me going for about a year before I change to something newer.

oceanman

somefeen wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2006-opel-vectra-estate-1-8-5dr-/21230052

Any thoughts on this?

Need a car for work and just want something to keep me going for about a year before I change to something newer.

you could get better for the money.

punisher5112

Reliable and Opel don't go together....

bazz26

That's mad money for that imo.

Bigmac1euro

My vectra is killing itself as we speak. Going to try get my hands on an A3 in a few weeks for cheap.

TychoCaine

cletus wrote: »

I'm thinking of having a look at a 2011 Mondeo estate with the 1.8 diesel engine, but the last page or so of this thread has me thinking. How much of an issue is the wet belt on the MK4?

There's nothing wrong with the 1.8 diesel per se. It's just that the wet belt is an expensive job that's often skipped/forgotten. I'd say a lot of indie garages wouldn't even know there's a 2nd belt buried behind a cover. Once it's done then the engine is fine for the next ~100k miles. If it's not done then make sure you haggle hard for a hefty discount to cover the cost.

JohnBoy26

TychoCaine wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the 1.8 diesel per se. It's just that the wet belt is an expensive job that's often skipped/forgotten. I'd say a lot of indie garages wouldn't even know there's a 2nd belt buried behind a cover. Once it's done then the engine is fine for the next ~100k miles. If it's not done then make sure you haggle hard for a hefty discount to cover the cost.

If the car is being kept for a good few years then id get it converted to chain like the pre September 07 units.

cletus

Thanks for the replies lads. This particular car I think is a non runner anyway. As says the timing belt is just done, asked seller had he receipts for it, he told me no, but I could check the new belt myself.

When I suggested it might be a bit tricky to see the wet belt, he stopped replying

KevRossi

Nice colours and NCT to next year. Crazy what you can get for around €2K. Has a full Cartell report as well.

2003 X5, 3.0 Diesel, NCT 02/2020 172,000 miles, €2,350

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-x5-2003/21011408

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M7roadrunner

KevRossi wrote: »

Nice colours and NCT to next year. Crazy what you can get for around €2K. Has a full Cartell report as well.

2003 X5, 3.0 Diesel, NCT 02/2020 172,000 miles, €2,350

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-x5-2003/21011408

25 previous owners? That must be some sort of record.

Duke O Smiley

M7roadrunner wrote: »

25 previous owners? That must be some sort of record.

The highest in the country (last year) was 31 on an IS200 afaik

But 25 previous is brilliant. Next owner can e lucky owner #27!