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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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JoeA3 wrote: »

There is F all in it. €4.5k ish. I don’t think it’s one bit surprising tbh.

I can’t remeber the price structure a few years ago but I’m fairly sure you could get an entry level GTi for around 35k where as an R was always mid 40’s or higher so more like 10k difference min. Currently 7k in the price difference between a GTI and an R.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Those who were spending 50k on a car can afford to go 4k more to get R. Just for us mortals who buy second hand and still want reasonable running costs prefer GTI.
I would like R, but as mentioned above, it attracts unwanted attention. Maybe that's why I prefer Leon Cupra too. Take off Cupra of the boot and the only things that gives it away is double exhaust and brembos. Have it in some neutral colour and your average scummy boy will ignore it.

I don’t think running costs would be that much different, a GTi is already heavy on petrol an R is a bit worse but if you can run the Gti you can probably fuel the R also. The rest of the running costs would be pretty similar if not the same. The attention wouldn’t bother be in the least, I’d like the extra good attention (isn’t that part of the reason we buy nice cars) and I wouldn’t personally be a person who has any fear of “bad” attention.

I’ll be keeping my mk5 on the road for another while yet as we have bought a family car but when I do decide to garage the mk5 (not planning on selling it) and buy another fast golf I will find it hard to look past an R. Having a diesel family car also means the fuel costs won’t be an issue as it would be used for long trips etc.

MidMan25

Quick question lads, what do you reckon my car would be worth?

181 Octavia VRS 245 Estate in Moon White with approaching 30,000km on the clock.

1 service left + 2 years warranty.

Standard Spec
LED Headlights Front + Rear, LED Cornering Foglights
19 Inch Alloys
Alcantara Sports Seats (Electrically Adjustable)
Front + Rear Parking Sensors, Reversing Camera
9.2 Inch Touchscreen, Sat Nav, CarPlay etc.

Extras
Heated Front Seats
Heated Front Windscreen
Canton

JoeA3

Lance Tall Beagle wrote: »

I can’t remeber the price structure a few years ago but I’m fairly sure you could get an entry level GTi for around 35k where as an R was always mid 40’s or higher so more like 10k difference min. Currently 7k in the price difference between a GTI and an R.

Wrong. Spec for spec, there was never more than 4.5-5k in it between a PP GTI and an R. Current prices:

GTI PP DSG: €45,170
R DSG: €49,525

A difference of just €4355. Then factor in the extra kit on the R that's extra on a GTI (19's, alarm) and that gap closes further. It's a very long time indeed since a Golf GTI was near 35k.

Wailin

He said entry level gti. Not pp with dsg etc.

[Deleted User]

JoeA3 wrote: »

Wrong. Spec for spec, there was never more than 4.5-5k in it between a PP GTI and an R. Current prices:

GTI PP DSG: €45,170
R DSG: €49,525

A difference of just €4355. Then factor in the extra kit on the R that's extra on a GTI (19's, alarm) and that gap closes further. It's a very long time indeed since a Golf GTI was near 35k.

Spec for spec is a poor argument. Many will go for the cheapest option and lowest spec available meaning you can get into a Gti for a lot less than an R. Base gti is 42,370, that’s a significant amount cheaper than an R.

But the stats show there are more R’s sold so it’s a bit of a pointless debate really I was just surprised to see it.

JoeA3

Comparing an entry level base spec GTI with an R and saying there’s 10k between them is much more flawed and doesn’t make much sense to me. There’s always something cheaper out there.

The new VW’s have gone mad money now tbh. There’s a new GTI on carzone asking price of over €52k! I thought it must be a TCR, but no, it’s a regular PP with a couple of options ticked.... crazy.

[Deleted User]

JoeA3 wrote: »

Comparing an entry level base spec GTI with an R and saying there’s 10k between them is much more flawed and doesn’t make much sense to me. There’s always something cheaper out there.
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The comparison is only in the context of sales. I would have expected the Gti (in general not a particular spec) to outsell the R as there are versions available that are considerably cheaper and thus would fall into more people’s budgets. But that isn’t the case as has been mentioned here.

Muppet Man

I was at coffee and cars today in bray with my own R and counted six golf Rs there. MK7 and 7.5.

I don’t remember seeing a GTI. I’m sure there was one, just don’t remember it.

Interestingly there were two 2008 R32s.

DaveyDave

I'm in Toronto at the moment, there's a ton of GTI's here. Only saw one R though. Not only is every BMW, Merc and Audi AWD they're all massive spec. 750i, 540i, S6, S7, Volvo S90 T6. Didn't even know it went above T5...

Obviously it snows here so the market leans towards AWD but everyone has good tyres on their cars. Not a single Chinese tyre to be seen.

I'm very surprised VW doesn't offer the Cupra spec on the GTI, 230hp would be somewhat low here. A lot of standard family cars are pushing 250-300hp and the standard Golf is the 180hp 1.8...

MidMan25

DaveyDave wrote: »

I'm in Toronto at the moment, there's a ton of GTI's here. Only saw one R though. Not only is every BMW, Merc and Audi AWD they're all massive spec. 750i, 540i, S6, S7, Volvo S90 T6. Didn't even know it went above T5...

Obviously it snows here so the market leans towards AWD but everyone has good tyres on their cars. Not a single Chinese tyre to be seen.

I'm very surprised VW doesn't offer the Cupra spec on the GTI, 230hp would be somewhat low here. A lot of standard family cars are pushing 250-300hp and the standard Golf is the 180hp 1.8...

Big engined cars / suvs are the norm over there. Tax is only 12% afaik. U'd have a top spec GTI on the road for approx 27k euro!

SaintsYB

MidMan25 wrote: »

Big engined cars / suvs are the norm over there. Tax is only 12% afaik. U'd have a top spec GTI on the road for approx 27k euro!

The North American Golfs (not sure what other NA VWs) are made in Mexico so they are built much cheaper to begin with. A top spec GTI over there comes with a manual handbrake instead of the electronic one Europe gets and doesn't come with the Active Info Display (only the R gets that I believe). Fairly sure the power on the 7.5 over is the same as the pre-facelift here, 220hp.

I understand what you're saying, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.

maddness

Muppet Man wrote: »

I was at coffee and cars today in bray with my own R and counted six golf Rs there. MK7 and 7.5.

I don’t remember seeing a GTI. I’m sure there was one, just don’t remember it.

Interestingly there were two 2008 R32s.

By any chance was your the dark Blue one? Gorgeous color in the car.

Muppet Man

The blue was nice alright, suited it, but mine was a white one... Which OBVIOUSLY is a nicer colour

carsfan2

MidMan25 wrote: »

Quick question lads, what do you reckon my car would be worth?

181 Octavia VRS 245 Estate in Moon White with approaching 30,000km on the clock.

1 service left + 2 years warranty.

Standard Spec
LED Headlights Front + Rear, LED Cornering Foglights
19 Inch Alloys
Alcantara Sports Seats (Electrically Adjustable)
Front + Rear Parking Sensors, Reversing Camera
9.2 Inch Touchscreen, Sat Nav, CarPlay etc.

Extras
Heated Front Seats
Heated Front Windscreen
Canton

What was the price of the car new?
Value of it will depend on what you’re trading it against or looking for a private sale.
I’m guessing 25 to 28 k ?

maddness

Muppet Man wrote: »

The blue was nice alright, suited it, but mine was a white one... Which OBVIOUSLY is a nicer colour

My second one was white too but is now sadly gone.

MidMan25

carsfan2 wrote: »

What was the price of the car new?
Value of it will depend on what you’re trading it against or looking for a private sale.
I’m guessing 25 to 28 k ?

Retail 40,700 with no extras.

carsfan2

MidMan25 wrote: »

Retail 40,700 with no extras.

If you’re trading in for new with skoda/vw then 28/30k?
If you’re selling private or going against a BMW/ Audi a bit less again.
What would you want to get after and what figure did you think?
First year loss is always the worst and is particularly brutal the last few years with cheap sterling making nearly new from the UK such value.

MidMan25

carsfan2 wrote: »

If you’re trading in for new with skoda/vw then 28/30k?
If you’re selling private or going against a BMW/ Audi a bit less again.
What would you want to get after and what figure did you think?
First year loss is always the worst and is particularly brutal the last few years with cheap sterling making nearly new from the UK such value.

Just weighing up my options at the moment. It's a really nice car but I have other priorities in life now so considering reducing my outlay on getting from A - B!

I think 27/28 would be fair price if trading against a used car.

[Deleted User]

Had a bit of a rip with a lovely blue R32 earlier on the n7, anyone here?

MidMan25

BrownFinger wrote: »

Had a bit of a rip with a lovely blue R32 earlier on the n7, anyone here?

Could be Killinator

Killinator

MidMan25 wrote: »

Could be Killinator

No, I was in Carlow and Kildare around Castledermot, not on M7 today

Wailin

What are you driving brownfinger that can keep up with an R?

[Deleted User]

Wailin wrote: »

What are you driving brownfinger that can keep up with an R?

Who said I could keep up!!
Just a stock mk5 gti.
Love seeing the r32s on the road.

carsfan2

MidMan25 wrote: »

Just weighing up my options at the moment. It's a really nice car but I have other priorities in life now so considering reducing my outlay on getting from A - B!

I think 27/28 would be fair price if trading against a used car.

How would you reduce your outlay trading in for another car? Surely that’s costing you money?

MidMan25

carsfan2 wrote: »

MidMan25 wrote: »

Just weighing up my options at the moment. It's a really nice car but I have other priorities in life now so considering reducing my outlay on getting from A - B!

I think 27/28 would be fair price if trading against a used car.

How would you reduce your outlay trading in for another car? Surely that’s costing you money?

Lower running costs and a much cheaper car?

fletch

The new Polo really isn't a small car. I was parked in the NAC far away from other cars and arrived back to find a MkV Golf GTI parked beside me.

It's crazy that the Polo actually looks bigger than the Golf. I put up 500kms over the weekend and am absolutely loving it. It handles much better than my old '11 Fabia RS. I'm still recalibrating my mind to having "only" 6 gears again (the Fabia had 7sp DSG) but it has effortless shove for overtaking. It provided similar economy to the Fabia averaging 6.4ltr/100km and 6.7ltr/100km on 2 160km drives. My relative who recently got a new Mk7.5 Golf (below) struggles to better those figures in his 1.0 at times. The Active Info Display can be a bit of information overload at times but I'm sure I'll get used to it. The combination of DSG and adaptive cruise makes for a very relaxing long distance drive too.

[Deleted User]

Who ever owns that black mk5 needs to get the headlights sorted out.
really taking away from the car.

hooch-85

That's really good economy in the Polo GTi and it should only improve as it runs in.

ChuckLarry

It’s crazy how it can look both smaller and bigger and the same time, maybe it’s years of being conditioned to accept polos are smaller than golfs

I have to say your polo in that colour and spec has really opened my mind to the idea of one, looks great!

dastardly00

It's been 3 months and 6,000 km of great driving in my Golf GTI

... but the inevitable has happened... I've got my first scuff mark/scratch

And of course it's on a diamond-cut wheel (19" Brescia). I drove over 800 km at the weekend and it happened sometime then but I haven't a clue how. I didn't kerb it as I'm particularly careful when parking.

Do I need to worry now about the lacquer peeling and corrosion/white-worm? Thoughts?