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Rise of Vegetarian/Veganism

Johnnyhpipe

From “bloggers” to billboards to PETA giving out to me for drinking milk and “taking babies away from their mothers”... I was in McDonalds earlier tucking into a big mac and a load of nuggets and saw their new ‘veggie happy meal’... When did this rise of veggie/veganism start? Why did it start?

Some people have tried to convince me to go vegetarian, or at least cut down on meat consumption. I haven’t heard a decent argument as to why I should apart from some doomsday videos on youtube..

Am I really a bad boy for eating meat? All sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

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auspicious

Lentils are amazing. You just gotta know how to cook em. Fenugreek is a really tasty curry spice. First an onion or two diced and garlic and chillies base, then cumin seeds and ginger, tomato paste, veg. cube, tomatoes and other veg., throw in lentils and curry spices and Bob's your uncle.
The spices take weeks to run out.
Plenty of recipes out there.

Johnnyhpipe

An Ri rua wrote: »

I haven't eaten meat or dairy for 26 years now. It was very tough at the start, I was lifting a lot of weights as a young skinny lad, and could never get enough protein.
The jury is out on whether Quorn and such are without side effects but that is what I've eaten for years.
Just like the person quoted, I've always had people attacking my position. I love meat, just like I love sex, but it's not morally correct (in my view) to jump on every young one passing and, in s similar vein, it's not morally correct to take the life of a fellow sentient being got pleasure/meat-lust.
Some will say it's a necessary part of a diet. It's not. Until s year or two ago, I could pump out more Hindu push-ups and chin-ups /pullups than most 40+ year olds.
Meat tastes great. But even apart from the self-love of stuffing your guts with flesh at the expense of another precious life, it's now simply a case of trying to disengage from the disharmonious nature of it's route to market. It's all that's wrong with this dirty ****ing consumerist world.
Hey look, if you're into masturbating endlessly, self-indulgent spending, hedonistic living and individualistic ideology, then stuff your guts. It really doesn't matter. Every wo/man for themselves. If you want to change the world, change yourself. Be you Hitler, Gandhi, Larry Good man or the Op.

Not sure about the endless masturbation and jumping on every young wan passing, i’m only wondering why veganism is becoming more popular..

Necro

In fairness my kids are much more health conscious than myself - or at least as much as we can push them towards.

They love snacks of raisins, fruit etc. Give them the odd treat obviously but they generally eat very healthily.

I've already accepted I'm a lost cause in terms of eating healthily but hopefully they won't follow me down the same path.

An Ri rua

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What's wrong with not wanting to eat animals? I don't get why it annoys people so much. I don't eat much red meat or dairy at all, don't miss it or need it.

I haven't eaten meat or dairy for 26 years now. It was very tough at the start, I was lifting a lot of weights as a young skinny lad, and could never get enough protein.
The jury is out on whether Quorn and such are without side effects but that is what I've eaten for years.
Just like the person quoted, I've always had people attacking my position. I love meat, just like I love sex, but it's not morally correct (in my view) to jump on every young one passing and, in s similar vein, it's not morally correct to take the life of a fellow sentient being got pleasure/meat-lust.
Some will say it's a necessary part of a diet. It's not. Until s year or two ago, I could pump out more Hindu push-ups and chin-ups /pullups than most 40+ year olds.
Meat tastes great. But even apart from the self-love of stuffing your guts with flesh at the expense of another precious life, it's now simply a case of trying to disengage from the disharmonious nature of it's route to market. It's all that's wrong with this dirty ****ing consumerist world.
Hey look, if you're into masturbating endlessly, self-indulgent spending, hedonistic living and individualistic ideology, then stuff your guts. It really doesn't matter. Every wo/man for themselves. If you want to change the world, change yourself. Be you Hitler, Gandhi, Larry Good man or the Op.

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JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’m a complete mucksavage who considers bacon and cabbage to be the finest meal humanity has ever come up with. Even I realise we need to eat less meat. You can do great things with plenty of salt, butter, herbs, and spices. I couldn’t become a vegan though - cheese is so ridiculously tasty that I wouldn’t want to live in a world where it doesn’t exist.

Mate of mine is vegan and lived in France for years and cheese as he put it was the hardest thing to give up, my missus is vegan also and she said the same thing.

Tesco are doing a range of vegan cheeses now and they taste like actual dairy based cheese from any reports I've heard, both from them and our other friends who aren't vegetarian/vegan. Can't personally vouch for them as I don't like cheese anyway.

strandroad

Necro wrote: »

General supermarket items, fresh fruit and vegetables not sourced from other countries. The stuff in Aldi is absolute kack and we stopped shopping there a while back as it goes off after a few days.

One thing that really helps is more frequent grocery shopping. We are transitioning to this American style of weekly or fortnightly shop which promotes processed or frozen foods because fresh food doesn't last that long. For fruit and veg you'd be better off shopping frequently and using it up quickly. Same as with butcher meat really, it wouldn't last a few days it only does when it's processed and sealed in a packet.

freshpopcorn

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Lentils and pulses cost nothing and lots of calories and protein in there. There are pockets of people living around the world where people live longer than the rest of us and the thing they have in common is diets featuring a lot of pulses. Sardinia, parts of Japan etc.

I'd rather die younger than eat lentils!

Necro

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Lentils and pulses cost nothing and lots of calories and protein in there. There are pockets of people living around the world where people live longer than the rest of us and the thing they have in common is diets featuring a lot of pulses. Sardinia, parts of Japan etc.

Boring though. I like variety in my diet tbh. We change our meals up every week otherwise it would drive me mad.

Hobosan

Jazmin Some Designer wrote: »

I'll also have chickens in a few weeks.:D

Congratulations!

It's tough going but people always say it is the most rewarding part of their lives.

Thelonious Monk

Lentils and pulses cost nothing and lots of calories and protein in there. There are pockets of people living around the world where people live longer than the rest of us and the thing they have in common is diets featuring a lot of pulses. Sardinia, parts of Japan etc.

auspicious

Majority of Adli veg is from Spain and Netherlands. I try to avoid them and look for Irish. Irish tomatoes for example are much tastier than elsewhere.
Frozen veg is good I find, cheap and seasoned well it's grand. I'm a big gravy lover and probably have it 4 or 5 times a week with the veg.
Lentils are something I never used to eat but now are a staple part of my diet. Cheap, and cooked with some spices they go with almost anything and are very healthy.

Hobosan

Cows always look very peaceful in videos and you only ever hear about the bad things that happen to them, but when the cameras are off they're vicious towards us. It's pure anti-omnivorism.

I overheard a Cow saying "Moooower're going to drive you into the sea", as I walked past a field today.

Yet we're somehow the bad guys for imprisoning and killing them in self defense?

uck51js9zml2yt

I spent the day in my garden planting veggies.
I used horse manure (a by product of an animal) as fertilizer...does that make me evil.

I'll also have chickens in a few weeks.:D

JohnnyFlash

I’m a complete mucksavage who considers bacon and cabbage to be the finest meal humanity has ever come up with. Even I realise we need to eat less meat. You can do great things with plenty of salt, butter, herbs, and spices. I couldn’t become a vegan though - cheese is so ridiculously tasty that I wouldn’t want to live in a world where it doesn’t exist.

Necro

auspicious wrote: »

Out of interest Necro, what products were they basically?

General supermarket items, fresh fruit and vegetables not sourced from other countries. The stuff in Aldi is absolute kack and we stopped shopping there a while back as it goes off after a few days.

I try and lean away from processed meats as they're the worst of them all but at the same time they're also a cheaper option.

Our budget wouldn't be massive though so sometimes needs must and all.

archer22

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well you can't just sit around eating onion rings and chips all day and not get fat. You're clearly eating only healthy vegetarian stuff.

Correct, I only very rarely eat any junk type foods and have no liking for sugary drinks.
But in my case giving up meats was the key...the results quite surprised me to be honest

El Tarangu

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

Why do you feel its healthier? Would the same meals just with some grilled chicken not be just as healthy, if not more so? I’m genuinely curious.

I actually had the opposite experience of archer - there isn't really anything that provides you with the protein-to-calorie ratio that is as easy to prepare as chicken breasts; I've probably gained (a little) weight since becoming vegetarian. No regrets about it though, and this will probably be offset when I get up to speed with some additional vegetable protein sources, etc.

ILoveYourVibes

I am veggie ..i eat vegan sometimes. My mom went veggie when i was twelve ..so i did ...she went back to eat fish ..i stayed veggie...my bro is veggie too.

I will cook meat for friends though etc. I do my best as a veggie to cook steak/fish for a mate etc.

I respect people's choices.

auspicious

Out of interest Necro, what products were they basically?

Necro

Personally, I can't ever see myself taking up a vegetarian diet. Love me some meat with my dinners.

Recently my wife and I attempted to experiment in the home with eating healthier and found the cost much more prohibitive, exorbitant even.

My feelings is that if we are expected to attempt to eat healthier then make it cheaper than the alternatives.

eviltwin

I became vegetarian 27 years ago because I didn't want to eat animals. I have a severe lactose intolerance so I don't eat dairy. I rarely eat eggs so I'm more or less vegan now. I've no problem with people eating meat and cook meat for family and friends. I've no interest in converting anyone.

Thelonious Monk

archer22 wrote: »

I find any kind of meat diet heavy and hard to digest...also when I was on a meat diet I could not lose excess weight despite doing a lot of fitness training.

Since going vegetarian I have lost all excess fat and am now virtually as lean and fit as I was when I was young.

I have not found any lack of energy on a vegetarian diet, quite the opposite in fact.
And there is no need to diet as such when vegetarian you can eat as much as you want so no need to go hungry or minimise portions etc.

Just eat when ever you feel like eating.

Well you can't just sit around eating onion rings and chips all day and not get fat. You're clearly eating only healthy vegetarian stuff.

Ubbquittious

I wonder who is paying for all those bill boards that are after appearing around the place promoting vegetarianism. Did they get any handouts from quorn or that impossible hipster crowd over in the States?

archer22

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

Why do you feel its healthier? Would the same meals just with some grilled chicken not be just as healthy, if not more so? I’m genuinely curious.

I find any kind of meat diet heavy and hard to digest...also when I was on a meat diet I could not lose excess weight despite doing a lot of fitness training.

Since going vegetarian I have lost all excess fat and am now virtually as lean and fit as I was when I was young.

I have not found any lack of energy on a vegetarian diet, quite the opposite in fact.
And there is no need to diet as such when vegetarian you can eat as much as you want so no need to go hungry or minimise portions etc.

Just eat when ever you feel like eating.

El Tarangu

I recently stopped eating meat; it was partially due to environmental reasons (the amount of inputs required to produce a kilo of meat, all the methane from farts, their effluent, etc).

But the main reason was that, the more I thought about it, the more it seemed that raising an animal and killing it to eat its flesh, unless you needed it to survive, just seemed weird. I was never mad about handling raw meat (like when cooking it or whatever), and didn't like seeing whole lambs or rabbits trussed up in butchers' shops; not eating meat was just the logical conclusion of this impulse. Just my 2c.

Johnnyhpipe

archer22 wrote: »

I can only speak for myself but I find a vegetarian diet to be much healthier, wish I had gone on it years ago.

Good now that lots of food processors and retailers are taking it serious and offering more vegetarian alternatives

Why do you feel its healthier? Would the same meals just with some grilled chicken not be just as healthy, if not more so? I’m genuinely curious.

archer22

I can only speak for myself but I find a vegetarian diet to be much healthier, wish I had gone on it years ago.

Good now that lots of food processors and retailers are taking it serious and offering more vegetarian alternatives

Thelonious Monk

The reality is we need food from Spain which is the greenhouse of Europe. They grow things like peppers and tomatoes etc that don't grow too well here. Importing avocados from Mexico and Peru doesn't sit comfortably with me especially when we produce so much food in Europe.

archer22

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

Im not worried about someone taking it from me. I’m not worried about anything really, I’m wondering why its risen in popularity lately? What are the reasons?

But..But..but I thought you didn't want people going on about it

Johnnyhpipe

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Eating more veg is surely good for the environment

Unless those veg were shipped in from southern Greece, or southern Spain or Holland and Israel

I wonder if lamb from wicklow (eaten in Dublin) is environmentally worse than avocados from Mexico (eaten in Dublin)?