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Is anyone else starting to become a bit worried? mod note in first post

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Bear markets
Fud
Regulation
Wall Street manipulation
The supposed tether ticking time bomb

What are your thoughts? Have you cashed out? Have you been buying the dips?

MOD NOTE:
Its good to see healthy debate and discussion taking place and I am sure every supporter of cryptocurrency and blockchain can agree that the contrarian viewpoint is worthwhile reading, if only to act as an anchor and help prevent investors from getting carried away in an echo chamber of "everything is wonderful, just keep going"

However, there have been a few reported posts recently which I did not action as I wanted to see the thread level out itself rather than start forcing viewpoints and I have been in two minds about that decision.

I'm not going to single any posters out but I'm going to ask that all posters read the forum charter and I want to point out that it was established years ago in the Television forum, that dropping in on a forum to tell the followers of that forums topic (in that case a particular tv show) that it was all crap and only idiots watched it etc etc was the exact definition of being a dick and attempting to troll. I know this because I was the mod of the forum at the time. Now look at the forum charter again.

There is pretty much one rule on this forum : if you cannot discuss in a civil manner, and I mean discuss, not soapbox or attack, then you have absolutely no business posting here and I have no qualms about removing your ability to do so.

This forum is for people that have in interest in cryptocurrencies, blockchain and their application to financial investments. that can be positive or negative but if you really feel the need to start pulling out memes / hiding insults in imaginary hashtags / attacking personalities or just generally being a dick there are other forums you can post in where I will let the local mods determine if it is within the scope of allowable behaviour. Here, it is not.

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crushproof

Very nice jump for BAT today, no idea if any news or not.

tcawley29

crushproof wrote: »

To say he is royally screwed is an understatement! Would not like to be in his shoes right now, foolish chap!

Good enough for him. No time for thieves

crushproof

sexmag wrote: »

Irish man (20) facing more than 100 years in US prison for alleged $2.5m cryptocurrency fraud

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-man-20-facing-more-than-100-years-in-us-prison-for-alleged-2-5m-cryptocurrency-fraud-38098424.html

To say he is royally screwed is an understatement! Would not like to be in his shoes right now, foolish chap!

sexmag

Irish man (20) facing more than 100 years in US prison for alleged $2.5m cryptocurrency fraud

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-man-20-facing-more-than-100-years-in-us-prison-for-alleged-2-5m-cryptocurrency-fraud-38098424.html

Dohnjoe

Every hack is an inside job or scam according to the internet speculation machine, wait for the facts

q85dw7osi4lebg

Anyone think the binance hack was an inside job ?

cnocbui

Ouch.

Hackers steal over $40 million worth of bitcoin from one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges
Published Tue, May 7 2019
Hackers stole 7,000 bitcoin from major cryptocurrency exchange Binance, the platform said.
They used a variety of methods to carry out the “large scale security breach, ” according to the exchange.
Binance said it would cover the incident “in full” and no user funds will be affected.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/08/binance-bitcoin-hack-over-40-million-of-cryptocurrency-stolen.html

Kickstart1.3

I noticed that the Alts are getting pasted with every move lower Bitcoin makes.
Bitcoin drops 1% the Alts drop an average of 3%.
Money has moved from tether and the Alts to Bitcoin more as a safehaven move. Still too many if the "when lambo" guys about. We could be looking at another drop in Bitcoin now soon.
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unkel

What was your "everything"?

Just BTC or alts as well?

JJJJNR

Cashed out everything.volume is far too low imo and think the 100 milĺ spike on bitcoin a few weeks ago will cause a massive reversal.. going to sit this one out for a few weeks. Been a very good few months.

grindle

Hego Damask wrote: »

So BTC is a good investment again ?

Impossible to answer. If you like the idea of potentially losing money or potentially gaining money, it's good at both of those.

Hego Damask

So BTC is a good investment again ?

cnocbui

I don't see what that has to do with anything. It certainly has nothing to do with people getting out of Tether in favour of Bitcoin.

JohnnyFlash

cnocbui wrote: »

USDT up 0.38% today - BTC up 6.6%.

You are looking at figures in a very odd way that I can't comprehend, or entirely different ones.

It’s not the price of it, it’s the extraordinary trading volume - every Tether is being traded almost 6 times every 24 hours for the past few days.

Bob24

Apparently BTC is now $400 more expensive on Bitfinex than on other exchanges ... that’s some serious premium!

https://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-price-premium-continues-bitfinex-6k-trades/

cnocbui

KilOit wrote: »

Pump before dump? Looks like people getting out of tether and causing a spike in BTC.

USDT up 0.38% today - BTC up 6.6%.

You are looking at figures in a very odd way that I can't comprehend, or entirely different ones.

Bob24

KilOit wrote: »

Pump before dump? Looks like people getting out of tether and causing a spike in BTC.

Looking at the charts, tether volumes seem pretty much business as usual to me. Am I missing something?

JohnnyFlash

KilOit wrote: »

Pump before dump? Looks like people getting out of tether and causing a spike in BTC.

It looks like exit buying. To get out of an exchange, one must buy "hard currency" - BTC - when fiat withdrawal methods start failing. The BTC price is therefore higher at dying exchanges. Happened with MtGox, at that Italian exchange, QuadringaX etc. I don’t think Bitfinex is as important as it was, but Tether is systemic to the health and price of Bitcoin (and by association, all the other coins and shîtcoins).

KilOit

Pump before dump? Looks like people getting out of tether and causing a spike in BTC.

JohnnyFlash

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

BTC market cap over $100 billion again. Nothing to worry about.

The $470 premium between Bitfinex and Coinbase is something to keep an eye on. As is the trading volume of Tether - almost 17 billion on a market cap of 2.8 billion.

q85dw7osi4lebg

BTC market cap over $100 billion again. Nothing to worry about.

JohnnyFlash

https://decryptmedia.com/6824/crypto-capital-follow-up-article

Kraken ended the relationship in early 2017 so can’t see there being fallout from that.

grindle

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

As dodgy as it is, if investors were to bail out of tether, they would buy BTC as they can't all get FIAT out..

So worst case scenario BTC could actually rise.

Imo.

A temporary peak while they wait to exchange for real cash before a great crash. Would be hilarious if it sparked a FOMO bullrun - $2b pouring into BTC would push it near $10k again. This is one of the few times I've wanted to grab BTC just to speculate and set a wall for an easy 20%.

Johnny - link to Kraken being involved beyond using Tether? I'd hoped they weren't involved beyond stumping up cash to have liquid "fiat" pairs for countries where they didn't have fiat on-ramping.

q85dw7osi4lebg

As dodgy as it is, if investors were to bail out of tether, they would buy BTC as they can't all get FIAT out..

So worst case scenario BTC could actually rise.

Imo.

Bob24

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Jesus, that story about Tether and Bitfinex is even worse than I imagined. This Crypto Capital group were acting like a central bank for crypto - even Kraken at one stage. The FBI are involved so it’s a proper criminal investigation. You’d have to wonder who was backing the Tethers, and if it’s systemic importance to crypto will cause a price collapse when it comes crashing down. Binance are hugely exposed when it comes to Tether.

Of course not everything is dodgy, but clearly a lot of dodgy things around crypto as it’s been some kind of financial Wild West and needs to mature.

I might be overconfident in EU regulations, but usually when people ask which exchange to use to buy bitcoins I’d tell them to go for Bitstamp as it is located and regulated in the EU - which I rightly or wrongly think is a better guarantee that things are legit enough.

JohnnyFlash

Jesus, that story about Tether and Bitfinex is even worse than I imagined. This Crypto Capital group were acting like a central bank for crypto - even Kraken at one stage. The FBI are involved so it’s a proper criminal investigation. You’d have to wonder who was backing the Tethers, and if it’s systemic importance to crypto will cause a price collapse when it comes crashing down. Binance are hugely exposed when it comes to Tether.

grindle

seannash wrote: »

wanting it to be backed by cash and be against cash as a form of trans actionable currency at the same time?

Bitcoin was a reaction to fractional reserve banking, Tethers being minted are supposed to be backed 1:1 with actual cash so that in a bank-run situation you actually have cash to retrieve. Unlike fractional reserve banking, where bank-runs end up with Greek-style clusterfúcks where your government decides how much of your money you can handle.

seannash

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

It goes against everything crypto is about.

wanting it to be backed by cash and be against cash as a form of trans actionable currency at the same time?

Dohnjoe

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

Wager? Franctional banking means banks have way less than 10% actually in accounts.

The problem is crypto is supposed to be the opposite of banking, and tether is exactly like normal banking. It goes against everything crypto is about.

I wouldn't put them so much in the same boat, FRB has been around for centuries and underpins modern economies

Crypto doesn't seek to replace that, if it does, no one has ever explained how. Technically Tether is running on 74%, we all know that, and there hasn't been a run - ironically the fact there hasn't been a run is an indirect endorsement by the whole community. If the company provided solid financials and audit info I bet they could drop that percentage even lower

q85dw7osi4lebg

seannash wrote: »

To add, I know they have always maintained they are 100% backed by cash but I'd wager most banks dont have the cash on their books physically at their locations either.
In no way saying Tether isn't shady but it appears not as horrific as most people thought.

Wager? Franctional banking means banks have way less than 10% actually in accounts.

The problem is crypto is supposed to be the opposite of banking, and tether is exactly like normal banking. It goes against everything crypto is about.