turbbo wrote: » A fact that is useless to anybody that booked a flight with them from Shannon after June and have to take that flight out of Dublin. Just because it's a FACT with the caveat that it's not "officially cancelled". It's a FACT with bull$hit attached.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Norwegian haven't officially cancelled anything out of Shannon after June yet. Fact.
turbbo wrote: » Yeah facts.....funny you should mention that.....
Cookiemunster wrote: » What Norwegian have actually already done and said that they're going to do is not an assumption. It's fact.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Norwegian haven't cancelled anything after May, so Providence and Stewart are still active destinations.
turbbo wrote: » Yeah and what is wrong with that? I see a lot of assumptions here on this thread already about what Norwegian have are and will do. Is this not allowed?
turbbo wrote: » Duty in the form of a legal document called a contract. - I get your point that Shannon are struggling to get these contracts and that Norwegian had this angle covered already in their contract - which could be quite possible. Which begs the question how can Shannon survive if it keeps losing routes, and can only ever get scrappy contracts?
JCX BXC wrote: » The thing is, you've self admitted that you also don't know, so are you playing conspiracy theories to see if you get agreement somewhere along the line, or just toying with potential technicalities?
turbbo wrote: » Duty in the form of a legal document called a contract. - I get your point that Shannon are struggling to get these contracts and that Norwegian had this angle covered already in their contract - which could be quite possible. Which begs the question how can Shannon survive if it keeps losing routes?
JCX BXC wrote: » 1+1≠100 You seem to assume that Norwegian have a duty to Shannon airport! You remember how often Ryanair has ran into and pulled out of airports in Ireland? That was intentional! Norwegian had no choice.
turbbo wrote: » In that case Shannon would have had grounds to sue Norwegian you can be sure compensation was paid.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Alternating between 3 airports would cost Norwegian a fortune. They're already a loss making company losing more money over this so it's never going to happen. They have a base in Dublin with multiple daily flights, so it makes financial and organisational sense to move everything to Dublin. Shannon can't demand anything as they can't force any airline to fly from there.
turbbo wrote: » Norwegian are still running flights through Dublin and taking up the slack from Cork and Shannon. To say that Shannon would accept this as the solution without any compensation would explain a lot about the airport and it's management. I'm not expecting Norwegian to order more planes but actually alternate the flights from the 3 airports to at least spread the pain to all 3 airports rather than awarding 1 a gift.
Phileas Frog wrote: » but it's a lot easier to get from anywhere in the country to Dublin airport than it is to Shannon.
Cookiemunster wrote: » I doubt any contract would have covered the situation where every 737 MAX in the world would be grounded indefinitely and Norwegian don't have the spare 738 frames to fulfill the flights.
JCX BXC wrote: » It's SNN not 'Shn'.
turbbo wrote: » Hang on is there no contract between the airport and the airline or is that some quaint idea? They must have went with a bigger plane or more flights from Dublin to accommodate the pre-booked seats from Cork and Shannon? Also there has to be some efficiency gain for Norwegian doing it that way instead of alternating flights out of the 3 airports. We will never know I guess. But to say it was totally forced I don't buy it. Otherwise airlines would shaft airports like Shannon out of existence or is that what is happening???
Cookiemunster wrote: » All Norwegian passengers from Shannon AND Cork who don't take a refund from their flights are being flown from Dublin. And not all are being flown to their destination. The flights go either to Providence or Stewart and passengers get bused to the the airport they we due to fly to. There is nothing that Shannon (or Cork) can do to change this. They aren't 'allowing' it to happen, it's being forced on them.
turbbo wrote: » Do you know why all those Norwegian flights are from Dublin now instead? The flights that were booked in advance so I'm guessing they must have swapped in a bigger plane to fly solely from Dublin and pick up the slack from Shannon. Do Shannon get a kick back from Norwegian for allowing them to run it that way? From a lay persons perspective it just sucks that Shannon has so little to offer, but maybe it's impossible to improve I don't pretend to know the complexities of running that airport.
JCX BXC wrote: » It's SNN not 'Shn'
JCX BXC wrote: » Your post would make one assume Shannon has completely and utterly fallen off a cliff, last year had the most passengers since 2009!
JCX BXC wrote: » Yes, this year the route portfolio is a bit damaged this year, and I do express my disappointment at that, I'm not fully pleased at the situation, however saying Shannon's profile is "going down the tubes", simply as it lost 3 routes temporarily due to an aircraft grounding, is at best, absurd. It doesn't make any sense! The airport is still doing alot better than it was in 2012/2013.
turbbo wrote: » 2020 is next year (how soon will we see the max getting re-certified) - either way it's a $hit show for Shn , they will loose money on foot fall - not sure what arrangement they will have in place if nothing is flying from Shn as a replacement for the max. And who knows if Norwegian will be back in Shn at all after this fiasco - they have to be struggling. In the meantime profile of Shn is going down the tubes with it's lack of routes. It's getting to the stage where you wouldn't even give Shn a look in when booking a flight.
Deagol wrote: » Source please? I'm unaware of any official announcement that Norwegian are suspending flight from Shannon until 2020. Last I heard from actual source was that until MAX is recertified all passengers will be bussed to Dublin for 787 flight. You can still book flights from Shannon (Albeit at punitive rates) last time I checked.
golfball37 wrote: » Norwegian are not flying out of Shannon again until 2020 at the earliest as per official announcement. I dont know why people are claiming otherwise?
mdmix wrote: » Why are you being so confrontational, can we please have a reasonable discussion? Shannon’s numbers declined by 5% in 2017 and they used the transit business to hide the fact the airport was underperforming, the same may be true for 2018, as as far as I am aware they have not released their transit numbers for 2018. The transit deal was a nice earner and was a good deal for the airport but way the transit deal ended made management look clueless. Shannon is the only airport in Ireland recording declining passenger numbers ( all others reporting strong growth) and is now without a CEO. On top of all of this, they have the Boeing issue which they are virtually silent on. My point being, there are up to 100,000 people this year who would have used Shannon with Norwegian and air canada, the airport has not done any PR/ marketing to try ensure as many of these people use Shannon via another airline. The only way the Boeing issue could be any worse for Shannon, is if the numbers on the rest of the North American routes continue to stagnate.
