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Tommy Robinson campaigning for election to EU parliament - Mod warning in OP

gaelwave

Thread in AH had been closed as it is more suited to this forum.

Tommy Robinson is running as a candidate in the EU elections later this month. He is running as an independent in the North West constituency.

I personally think he has a great chance at election and I hope he gets to Brussels and shakes things up a bit.

His campaign hasn't got off to the best start he was assaulted 3 times in Warrington yesterday and supporters of his attacked protesters on the streets.

https://twitter.com/RealDannyTommo/status/1124225239557267457?s=19

https://twitter.com/RealDannyTommo/status/1124074323407507462?s=19

I'm going to allow this thread a chance to be constructive. If people just want to fire barbs at each other as happened in After Hours, this thread will be locked. Please ensure that:

You make your arguments in your own words
You do not just post links to tweets, videos and articles
You do not make digs at other posters
You refrain from calling people, including Tommy Robinson names as this is just childish
You refrain from soapboxing and engage with other posters

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stefanovich

Hurrache wrote: »

He is an extremist. But you know all these are being tackled already don't you? What can he do better, in the EU?

Have you actually spent the time to listen to him speak recently. His address to the Oxford union is a good starting point. No way is he an extremist. And no, Europe is absolutely not addressing these issues.

Hurrache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Any chance you got provide a link to this lengthy criminal record you claim he has.

Convictions for

violence
financial fraud
immigration fraud
drug possession
public order offences (plural)
contempt of court
threatening and abusive behaviour for football violence at Luton

Custodial sentences for

assault of a Police Officer. Hardman Yaxley-Lennon was attacking a woman when the police intervened.
assault of a man at a different occasion.
using false travel documentation
mortgage fraud

GinAndBitter

Hurrache wrote: »

Convictions for
violence

financial fraud

immigration fraud

drug possession

public order offences (plural)

contempt of court

threatening and abusive behaviour for football violence at Luton

Custodial sentences for
custodial sentence for assault

custodial sentence for using false travel documentation

custodial sentence for mortgage fraud

Sources please?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Sources please?

Google.com

It's fairly handy to find and is the general football hooligan rap-sheet, but with added mortgage and identify fraud.

https://www.the-round.co.uk/charges-on-tommy-robinson-rap-sheet/

Chips Lovell

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Mod Note

EDIT: Some recent posts that don't adhere to the charter have been removed. We'll start issuing sanctions if people persist

One person banned, two carded. Several more posts deleted. There's only so many warnings we can give.

yoursaviour1989

It is pretty lengthy for anyone, let alone a person who is running for office.
Can't imagine there's too many MEPs banned from entering the USA.

super_furry

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/25/english-defence-league-founder-brawl

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25862838

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9785724/EDL-leader-jailed-for-being-illegal-immigrant-after-entering-US-on-friends-passport.html

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-why-jailed-court-14721419

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-13784285

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/25/english-defence-league-founder-brawl

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25862838

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9785724/EDL-leader-jailed-for-being-illegal-immigrant-after-entering-US-on-friends-passport.html

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-why-jailed-court-14721419

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-13784285

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

mcmoustache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Sources please?

It's all public information. The stuff that happens in courts in terms of trials and sentencing is all available to the public.

mcmoustache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

That's 5 more than decent people who manage to go their entire lives without once getting arrested.

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

No there's more, particularly for contempt of court, I just got bored doing your research for you.

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

No there's more, particularly for contempt of court, I just got bored doing your research for you.

Why should I research claims made by other people that's not how this site works you should know that.

FreudianSlippers

GinAndBitter wrote: »

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

4 convictions for assault, one of which on a police officer; 3 fraud; 1 attempting to enter USA using false documentation; 1 possession of a controlled substance; 2 (and sort of a half as he remedied the contempt) contempt of court.

stefanovich

You also need to bear in mind that a lot of the trouble he gets into is a direct result of his political campaigning and activism and could be argued is evidence of a politically motivated police force and criminal justice system.

His last prison stretch he was moved to a prison with a large muslim population and then put into solitary confinement on the ground floor "for his own safety".

Due to the amount of excrement that was posted through his window it got boarded up. So now it's solitary confinement with no natural light.

This was all done on purpose to break him.

GinAndBitter

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

4 convictions for assault, one of which on a police officer; 3 fraud; 1 attempting to enter USA using false documentation; 1 possession of a controlled substance

Petty stuff. Who cares anyway. He's going to Europe whether any of yous like it or not.

FreudianSlippers

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Petty stuff. Who cares anyway. He's going to Europe whether any of yous like it or not.

They were almost all indictable offences for which he spent time in jail. So, not "petty" in the slightest.

ancapailldorcha

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Petty stuff. Who cares anyway. He's going to Europe whether any of yous like it or not.

Banned. Any more trolling will be met with the same. We've issued no end of warnings.

FreudianSlippers

stefanovich wrote: »

You also need to bear in mind that a lot of the trouble he gets into is a direct result of his political campaigning and activism and could be argued is evidence of a politically motivated police force and criminal justice system.

His last prison stretch he was moved to a prison with a large muslim population and then put into solitary confinement on the ground floor "for his own safety".

Due to the amount of excrement that was posted through his window it got boarded up. So now it's solitary confinement with no natural light.

This was all done on purpose to break him.

Even if I accepted (which I do not) that the assault convictions were a result of so-called "political campaigning and activism", how does that at all apply to the remainder of the convictions?

98q76e12hrflnk

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Even if I accepted (which I do not) that the assault convictions were a result of so-called "political campaigning and activism", how does that at all apply to the remainder of the convictions?

There are very few clean politicians are can see from our own country but its just so happens he is going against government which is why its highlighted to a higher degree.

FreudianSlippers

declan2693 wrote: »

There are very few clean politicians are can see from our own country but its just so happens he is going against government which is why its highlighted to a higher degree.

I can't think of any other politician that has been convicted of similar offences and jailed; can you please let us know to whom you're referring?
I also re-iterate, how is possession of a controlled substances, attempting to travel under fake documents and mortgage fraud "going against government" - other than in a "rage against the machine" type fashion?

gaelwave

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I can't think of any other politician that has been convicted of similar offences and jailed; can you please let us know to whom you're referring?
I also re-iterate, how is possession of a controlled substances, attempting to travel under fake documents and mortgage fraud "going against government" - other than in a "rage against the machine" type fashion?

A bag of coke mate would you get a grip. The assault fair enough that's a bad one. Mortgage fraud? Meh sounds like a proper politician. I've travelled on false documents myself but it was a matter of life and death so no comment on that.

98q76e12hrflnk

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I can't think of any other politician that has been convicted of similar offences and jailed; can you please let us know to whom you're referring?
I also re-iterate, how is possession of a controlled substances, attempting to travel under fake documents and mortgage fraud "going against government" - other than in a "rage against the machine" type fashion?

possession of a controlled substances, so he did some drugs in this time. you understand people do this all the time.
Travelling to America to do interviews and gain support.
You says Fraud seriously, there is fraud everywhere in politics, literally everywhere.

SoundsRight

It's disappointing to see the lack of condemnation of the attacks against Robinson. Have they forgotten about Jo Cox already?

gaelwave

declan2693 wrote: »

possession of a controlled substances, so he did some drugs in this time. you understand people do this all the time.
Travelling to America to do interviews and gain support.
You says Fraud seriously, there is fraud everywhere in politics, literally everywhere.

Cocaine is rife up in Dail Eireann I wouldn't hold that against anyone.

FreudianSlippers

gaelwave wrote: »

Mortgage fraud? Meh sounds like a proper politician.

Can you name one other person running for election that has been convicted of similar offences?

declan2693 wrote: »

possession of a controlled substances, so he did some drugs in this time. you understand people do this all the time.

Yes, myself included. However, I've never been arrested for it and I'm not running for election.

Travelling to America to do interviews and gain support.

Trying to illegally enter a country using false identification sounds a lot like the kind of thing that he's moaning about happening in the UK to me...

You says Fraud seriously, there is fraud everywhere in politics, literally everywhere.

Name one other person running for election that has been convicted of a similar offence.

mcmoustache

This is getting comical.

I thought that people with a right-wing disposition were pro law and order.

I'm starting to think that there might be something a bit more black and white behind this love for the common criminal.

gaelwave

mcmoustache wrote: »

This is getting comical.

I thought that people with a right-wing disposition were pro law and order.

I'm starting to think that there might be something a bit more black and white behind this love for the common criminal.

Unfortunately we don't all live a sheltered existence. It's dog eat dog out in the real world pal.

IAmTheReign

gaelwave wrote: »

I know little and care less about his actual policies.
He will be a dissenting voice in Brussels and more people like that are needed over there.
.

Hang on, you don't know or care what his policies are? Yet you care enough to start a thread on here saying you hope he'll get elected because there's "Too many yes man in Brussels"?

Can you tell me how many of the 750 MEPs do you think are yes men? And what exactly are they saying yes to that you would prefer they said no to?

FreudianSlippers

I'm still waiting on anyone to post what policies that Tommy Robinson has that they agree with.

gaelwave

IAmTheReign wrote: »

Hang on, you don't know or care what his policies are? Yet you care enough to start a thread on here saying you hope he'll get elected because there's "Too many yes man in Brussels"?

Can you tell me how many of the 750 MEPs do you think are yes men? And what exactly are they saying yes to that you would prefer they said no to?

It's a big circle jerk over in that kip bar a few exceptions. I just want to see him head over there and ruffle a few feathers. I think it would be hilarious altogether.