Idbatterim wrote: » no idea!
Dunsink landfill finally closed as a municipal waste site on Christmas Eve 2003.The Fingal Draft Development Plan (2017-2023) in its submission draws attention to Dunsink Lane and its environs. It noted that even though “the remediation of Dunsink Lane is now complete it will still require long term management and monitoring of leachate and atmospheric emissions”.
Idbatterim wrote: » If they are so concerned about price, dont built it! The value IF they can build over that land and provide thousands of apartments, is a far better investment. I'd take everything with a large pinch of salt from the councils here! Theyll say whatever suits their agenda.
LeinsterDub wrote: » But they can't so this is a pointless argument. Which leaves us in the position of duplicating the Dart line to blanch, extending to the N2 via the north road or doing nothing
Idbatterim wrote: » by the time this line is designed and might actually have spades in the ground, that land would still be unsuitable? the landfill closed in 2003, realistically it could be what? 2033 before this luas would be built?
LeinsterDub wrote: » 2033 before anything could potentially be built. The Luas Finglas could be built by then. I've no problem with a second line up that alignment but you're probably looking at 2040 at the earliest
LeinsterDub wrote: » Those fields are the old dump . Is that mature enough to be built on yet?
bk wrote: » Build it up Ratoath Road? You have the existing area of Finglas to the West and land to the East where a future SDZ would go once the land is ready. I think it will be quiet a while before we see this extension, what with everything else to do.
bk wrote: » BTW The idea of heading towards Blanch isn't that crazy, it is basically what Metro West was planned to do.
L1011 wrote: » I did the most basic digging in to this before - the stadium in Reading was built on a dump that had been capped even more recently than Dunsink was; but different waste loads may have gone in. All the Luas extensions in world are fine even if they duplicate other stuff somewhat - once we actually have a network. Resilience and options are good things. But I'd consider F (with a redesigned, but still redundant route to the city centre - not sharing with Red after Fatima) a priority over any other Luas extensions myself currently; followed by Bray, Ringsend, Finglas in that order. Possibly the suggested extension of F to the DART somewhere to the SE could be done at the same time.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Bray is already severed by high frequency rail why would you put it ahead of Finglas?
LeinsterDub wrote: » I think you've got your directions flipped. Let's build public transport to where the people actually live not somewhere they may potentially live if 25 years time. If you go up the north road you capture all of Finglas as it currently exists and Glasnevin east of Ballygall
LeinsterDub wrote: » What's crazy is duplicating the future Dart line. Metro West served an entirely different purpose
bk wrote: » Nope, there is little point in building high quality public transport to areas with very spread out, low density housing. The focus on the Luas and eventual Metrolink extensions will need to be building to green field sites and then creating SDZ's around the stops with very high density apartments close by. Basically what is happening at Cherrywood. Unless you are suggesting knocking all the homes in Finglas and replacing them with new apartments. If it is a case that the dump can't be built on with high buildings, then fair enough, an SDZ might not be possible and that in turn would make a Finglas extension far less of a priority. Instead probably better to focus on turning Dublin Industrial Estate into a SDZ and focus development there, it is a prime site for massive redevelopment. I suppose a P&R up on the N2 would be some justification for an extension, but I'd say the relatively low density homes around Finglas isn't in itself. BTW the justification for extending the Green line to Bray (and the subject of this thread) is to open up the fields along the route to development. To turn them into SDZ's like Cherrywood. Connecting to the DART at Bray isn't really the primary goal, it is the cherry on top, but not really why they want to build it. What is being suggested is very close to the start of the original Metro West. The original Metro West went from a P&R on the N2 to Blanch, then on to Lucan etc. What was suggested is just a slight variant on that and could be the first phase of a MW. Look I'm not saying that should all happen, but it is certainly an interesting idea. I'd say it would all hinge on how and if the dump could be developed.
CatInABox wrote: » Yes, I think it's going to turn north at Broombridge, through Dublin Industrial Estate, across Tolka Valley, up through the parks there, turn right at some stage (not sure where, I was thinking Erins Isle Gaa club, but they'd be understandably miffed at losing a pitch), then left onto the Finglas Rd to follow it out to the M50 and beyond. Can't see Bray happening at this stage, they'll probably plan it out, but once Cherrywood starts coming on stream, I think that the NTA's figures for capacity on the green line are going to look a bit silly.
Idbatterim wrote: » the landfill closed in 2003, realistically it could be what? 2033 before this luas would be built?
Gael23 wrote: » Does it have to be so many years to allow the waste at the site to settle or something?
I see a local TD wants the NTA to look at using the Fassaroe site for the Luas Bray extension eventually. I’m not sure how this lines up with the previous proposals to bring it in via Little Bray to the DART although I did see the latest NTA map seemed to suggest the Luas would split at Bray, I’m assuming with the thinking being that they can go the other side of the N11 to put in place a P+R.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/sale-of-280-acre-site-is-opportunity-to-bring-luas-to-bray-says-wicklow-td/a611272719.html
the previous proposed route had it splitting with one branch going to Fassoroe and the other to Bray Dart.
Having the Fassaroe branch linking up to the proposed P&R there would be quite beneficial for those further south.
Does it make sense to push further south to Southern Cross with it?
You’d be bringing more parts of Bray and the tip of Greystones into direct catchment.
The Luas has no place going to Bray, it is an urban tram system, and has no place trundling though green fields at 60kph.
Whats needed is high frequency, high speed public transport linking, bray and n11 to Sandyford, west dublin and beyond, to give an alternative to cars using the m50 to commute.
Unfortunately the M50 is a commuter Motorway and will always be that
This sort of stuff is unhelpful.
Yes in an ideal world that’s what we’d have.
Also in an ideal world the builders of the Kingstown line and beyond would have gone a mile more inland everywhere as well but they didn’t.
We have to deal with the infrastructure we have in place and to see how we can develop it further. There are micro business and educational hubs around the south east of Dublin (Bray, Dún Laoghaire, Cherrywood, Sandyford, Blackrock, UCD) that can see improvement in their connectivity without even considering the city centre.
