BloodyBill wrote: » Theres been plenty of Clare Cup games played and I'm sure theres been a few performers. It would certainly spice up the panel. Any injury to O Donnell, Conlon, McInerney or Kelly and its curtains. I agree wholeheartedly that there needs to be an outside manager brought in. Just to have a new set of eyes on the whole system. I'd go for someone like Gary Kirby or the Galway minor manager ...cant think of his name..
Clareman wrote: » How are you going to unearth other players when the club championship isn't played during the summer? There's an exceptional gifted under-age group of players coming through, don't be surprised if Davy "decides" to take a break from inter-county management but get a "Development Officer" gig to bring them through. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, we are way too reliant on the team of the 90s for management, the current management for all their faults at least are a break from that team, if there is to be a change in management I think we have to go outside of the county, Len Gaynor is the last non-Clare person in charge and he finished up in 1994.
Stationmaster wrote: » Our record since 1994 isn't too bad compared to what went on pre 94 so I don't think an outside manager is the solution.
Clareman wrote: » It could be argued that 95 wouldn't have started without an outside person to get it going, Len Gaynor got us to 2 Munster Finals, Loughnane got us over the hump.
Stationmaster wrote: » It would be a weak argument. We're not a county that's blessed with 100 hurlers of inter county standard. To be honest, I don't know of any club player that stands out at the moment who hasn't got a run at some stage.
funnyname wrote: » We're also battling with the incompetent of our administrators as they didn't stand up and fight for the schedule of games to be changed once it was known we'd have 3 games over a 14 day period. Leinster put in place a great schedule whereby no team plays more than two weekends in a row. We have the potential to be severely handicapped by it.
windy shepard henderson wrote: » outside manager ...who??? tj ryan ......derrick mcgrath ....:rolleyes: there are no outside managers to be got , in fairness we have loads of guys lining up for the job if this was gerry and donal's last year louis mulqueens record is the best in the county better then fitz , has turned liam mellows into a serious team up in galway from nowhere antony daly is still one of the most sought after managers in the country and is waiting for this post to come up again alan cunningham has been as pivotal as paul kinnerk to the limerick set up over the last few years , the work himself and ollie baker done up in offaly was serious too, you have loads of guys ,sitting on there hands also like baker , john minogue peter casey, cyril lyons , gus o'brien (also with limerick at the moment ) alan dunne in flannans sparrow o'loughlin is still doing great work out side the county at club level, that would make serious backroom staff to any management side in the country the problem is we dont utilize these guys enough if sixmilebridge do happen to win a county championship , which i believe they will given how strong they are at the moment then fitz is back in the running as front runner really to be fair , even he would be a better option then whats available out side the county at the moment
BloodyBill wrote: » Theres no great confidence in Sixmilebridge at the moment. They realise they've a decent squad but the underage is mixed and their results in Munster have left a bitter taste in the mouth for many Sixmilebridge folk . The loss to Na Piarsaigh in O' Garney Park a few years ago was shocking...9 points up. But yeah they probably are capable of winning Clare again but would they put it up to Patrickswell or Na Piarsaigh or Ballygunnar...? Not a hope and that's how Sixmilebridge measure themselves. I'd give Sparrow a run with Kinnerk but they don't have the financial clout to match Limericks backroom.
windy shepard henderson wrote: » i think they (sixmilebridge) had to bite the bullet a bit by given it to fitz , they really need someone to take them to the next level in munster and he was probably the best candidate with his name in the hat i know a number of key players are pushing on a bit but they have serious depth , every year they are pushing for the intermediate championship with there second team , and 2/3rds of the way through the league and there 2nd team are for a place in 1B , they lost narrowly enough last year to doora/barefields first team in the division 2 final i would give them 5 years at best at the moment for them to achieve what they want in munster after that there current squad will be pretty much disbanded , and not a huge amount coming through at the present ,
windy shepard henderson wrote: » i think they (sixmilebridge) had to bite the bullet a bit by given it to fitz , they really need someone to take them to the next level in munster and he was probably the best candidate with his name in the hat QUOTE] No, they didn't. Nobody else wanted the job. To even suggest that Fitz should be given the Clare job again is boarding on obscene. Some people have very short memories
sasol wrote: » windy shepard henderson wrote: » i think they (sixmilebridge) had to bite the bullet a bit by given it to fitz , they really need someone to take them to the next level in munster and he was probably the best candidate with his name in the hat QUOTE] No, they didn't. Nobody else wanted the job. To even suggest that Fitz should be given the Clare job again is boarding on obscene. Some people have very short memories It is absolutely obscene. Irrefutably so. You're absolutely right. It is an affront to every single Clare man, woman and child who profess even the very tiniest fragment of faith and love in the great banner county that he would be remotely EVER considered as Clare manager again. Clare took four years to rid themselves of the fallout from his so-called management. Delegates and all with the best interests of Clare hurling and G.A.A at heart must NEVER let this happen again.
Howitzer the 5th wrote: » sasol wrote: » It is absolutely obscene. Irrefutably so. You're absolutely right. It is an affront to every single Clare man, woman and child who profess even the very tiniest fragment of faith and love in the great banner county that he would be remotely EVER considered as Clare manager again. Clare took four years to rid themselves of the fallout from his so-called management. Delegates and all with the best interests of Clare hurling and G.A.A at heart must NEVER let this happen again. Those that defend DF would argue that he brought us an All-Ireland and a league title during that reign. Davy 2.0 is coming to the Banner county in 2020. I can guarantee that there will be no unrest come the night of his re-appointment, with the possible exception of Solan from Whitegate, a longtime critic of the Fitz's. Knowing the man that Pat Fitz is, he'll threaten clubs that don't support this motion with some withdrawal of funds for new lights or new pitches, stands etc. You play a dangerous game if you cross the red line against what many would believe is Kim Jong Un/Putin in disguise. Pat Fitz is a despicable person who like most politicians or public representatives, puts his own selfish interests ahead of the best interests of society. In this case its Clare GAA that has been neglected for far too long under his reign as CCB secretary. The row that lead to the subsequent retirement of Rory Hickey as a referee is further proof of the consequences of those who don't tow the Fitz line. I really have lost so much interest in Clare GAA and I'm deeply concerned about the future. When you look at the way things are changing in Cork with Kevin O'Donovan as that new innovative, modern and forward thinking county secretary that the rebel county has been craving for decades. But here in Clare, its a case of the old guard with any change in position in the board hierarchy, just a case of changing the deck chairs and moving a board member to another role in the executive that has well past its sell by date. The biggest indictment of the clubs is the failure of the delegates, to lead from the front and demanding change from the top. Every year they fail to do this, they prolong the inner circle of Pat Fitz, Joe Cooney, PJ McGuane and co. stay in there big comfy jobs and their grand easy salaries for basically until their retirement age at least. By continuing to accept the status quo, club delegates in-actions threaten to destroy GAA in the county and lead to an alienation of people who care for hurling and football in Clare. A start to address this imbalance, would be for all clubs to stand united against DF's return to the Clare senior hurling manager in 2020. But I would not get too upbeat on that united front from happening any time soon. Sad times indeed and as regards to major change in the way Clare GAA is being run, there is no indication to suggest that this will happen any time for the foreseeable future. The future looks bleak.
sasol wrote: » It is absolutely obscene. Irrefutably so. You're absolutely right. It is an affront to every single Clare man, woman and child who profess even the very tiniest fragment of faith and love in the great banner county that he would be remotely EVER considered as Clare manager again. Clare took four years to rid themselves of the fallout from his so-called management. Delegates and all with the best interests of Clare hurling and G.A.A at heart must NEVER let this happen again.
sasol wrote: » windy shepard henderson wrote: » i think they (sixmilebridge) had to bite the bullet a bit by given it to fitz , they really need someone to take them to the next level in munster and he was probably the best candidate with his name in the hat QUOTE] No, they didn't. Nobody else wanted the job. To even suggest that Fitz should be given the Clare job again is boarding on obscene. Some people have very short memories how do you stop it from happening again, county board is full of yes men , bruiser getting the minor job then fitz getting the sixmilebridge gig in a short space of time alone with a few interviews by fitz saying he had unfinished business in clare while still wexford boss set huge alarm bells ringing , all that came out together in a short space of time either side of christmas , rumors are rampant around the county that he has his sights on this job over the next 5 or 6 years which is expect to coincide with a good young crop of young hurlers making there way through the development squads at the moment are you telling me 30 out of say 50 clubs will vote against him if he ran again , not if daddy is still at the wheel
Clareman wrote: » Fitz has the job next year, it's a known fact around the place that he's gotten the gig regardless of this years performance. Kilmaley's new ground has been closed because of "Health & Safety", nothing to do with Conor Clancy tweeting about certain people. Our county board is the most corrupt organisation going and that's not going to change any time soon no matter what we want to happen.
Clareman wrote: » No-one is getting near the Tsar, I think Conor Clancy has the join most inter-county medals of a Clare player and he tweeted about a disgraceful scene at an inter-county challenge, what happens next? Kilmaley's new ground is deemed unsuitable for matches because of "health and safety", other clubs will see this and won't say anything about anything because they'll be worried about protecting their own little kingdom.
windy shepard henderson wrote: » it wont be next year , it will be in the next few years yes , but a few players have to reach the end of there careers yet before he will be back
windy shepard henderson wrote: » sasol wrote: » how do you stop it from happening again, county board is full of yes men , bruiser getting the minor job then fitz getting the sixmilebridge gig in a short space of time alone with a few interviews by fitz saying he had unfinished business in clare while still wexford boss set huge alarm bells ringing , all that came out together in a short space of time either side of christmas , rumors are rampant around the county that he has his sights on this job over the next 5 or 6 years which is expect to coincide with a good young crop of young hurlers making there way through the development squads at the moment are you telling me 30 out of say 50 clubs will vote against him if he ran again , not if daddy is still at the wheel If the clubs don’t take a stand then Clare are a county of sheep. You would expect people like Brian Lohan, Jamsie o Connor, Conor Clancy et al to take a stand and publicly voice their opinions. Peter o Connell needs to stand up and be counted. Anthony Daly needs to express his interest in the job. There are plenty of ways to disrupt the return, if the appetite is there. And if the appetite is not there, then god help Clare hurling
sasol wrote: » how do you stop it from happening again, county board is full of yes men , bruiser getting the minor job then fitz getting the sixmilebridge gig in a short space of time alone with a few interviews by fitz saying he had unfinished business in clare while still wexford boss set huge alarm bells ringing , all that came out together in a short space of time either side of christmas , rumors are rampant around the county that he has his sights on this job over the next 5 or 6 years which is expect to coincide with a good young crop of young hurlers making there way through the development squads at the moment are you telling me 30 out of say 50 clubs will vote against him if he ran again , not if daddy is still at the wheel
sasol wrote: » Because those are the players who have already spoken against him
Clareman wrote: » Exactly, they are the players, well former players, until a few administrators start to try to oust him nothing will happen.
