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When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

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Some of her posts on twitter lately seem to be off the charts.

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Charles Ingles

gandalf wrote: »

So translated you cannot back up your assertions.

Just like your poster girl then.

I can back up any point I've mad anything you like me to elaborate on?

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I can back up any point I've mad anything you like me to elaborate on?

I asked you this yesterday and you ignored it.

gandalf wrote: »

Now what are you basing your utterances about autism on? Which studies? Which papers? I hope it's not just your general observations from the good old days when your kids went to school?

A number of others posters asked you similar questions.

Charles Ingles

gandalf wrote: »

I asked you this yesterday and you ignored it.

A number of others posters asked you similar questions.

That's not what I said my point was the alarming increased rates with no explanation for the rise.
I don't buy into the better diagnosis thing, it could be diet it could be vaccines nobody knows, as I stated my children were all vaccinated but people have the right to ask questions and not trust big corporations blindly

batgoat

Charles Ingles wrote: »

That's not what I said my point was the alarming increased rates with no explanation for the rise.
I don't buy into the better diagnosis thing, it could be diet it could be vaccines nobody knows, as I stated my children were all vaccinated but people have the right to ask questions and not trust big corporations blindly

There's no increase, people tend to have entered adult life and not have been diagnosed. Dyslexia diagnoses also increased. Plenty of older people with dyslexia who never got diagnosed.

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

That's not what I said my point was the alarming increased rates with no explanation for the rise.
I don't buy into the better diagnosis thing, it could be diet it could be vaccines nobody knows, as I stated my children were all vaccinated but people have the right to ask questions and not trust big corporations blindly

Yes what are you basing this on because that's not facts, that is just your opinion. So there are no facts at all. Thanks for clearing that up.

Charles Ingles

batgoat wrote: »

There's no increase, people tend to have entered adult life and not have been diagnosed. Dyslexia diagnoses also increased. Plenty of older people with dyslexia who never got diagnosed.

You can't credible say there is no increase world wide according to the American scientific journal
"The prevalence of autism in the United States has risen steadily since researchers first began tracking it in 2000. The rise in the rate has sparked fears of an autism 'epidemic.' But experts say the bulk of the increase stems from a growing awareness of autism and changes to the condition's diagnostic criteria."
They explained the rise is better diagnosis , you said there was no rise do which is it ?
Also people dismiss personal observations as anecdotes ,but lived experiences are truth I've seen a huge rise with my own eyes

Charles Ingles

gandalf wrote: »

Yes what are you basing this on because that's not facts, that is just your opinion. So there are no facts at all. Thanks for clearing that up.

I've just quoted the American scientific journal the fact is there is a rise in autism world wide, I just don't think the explanation is better diagnosis

batgoat

Charles Ingles wrote: »

You can't credible say there is no increase world wide according to the American scientific journal
"The prevalence of autism in the United States has risen steadily since researchers first began tracking it in 2000. The rise in the rate has sparked fears of an autism 'epidemic.' But experts say the bulk of the increase stems from a growing awareness of autism and changes to the condition's diagnostic criteria."
They explained the rise is better diagnosis , you said there was no rise do which is it ?
Also people dismiss personal observations as anecdotes ,but lived experiences are truth I've seen a huge rise with my own eyes

I said that people were not diagnosed while they still had it... So it doesn't mean an actual increase in numbers with it.

BBFAN

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've just quoted the American scientific journal the fact is there is a rise in autism world wide, I just don't think the explanation is better diagnosis

So you're quoting an article you don't agree with?? I've heard it all now.

Flange/Flanders

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Have you ever heard of Thalidomide drug the attempted cover up with lies, big pharma can't be trusted.
Some people don't want to give their kids certain vaccines that's ok,
Autism is on the increase at alarming rates but nobody is allowed to question what is in these vaccines.

Thalidomide wasnt covered up, the effects were reported within a couple of years.

gandalf

You mean this article..

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-real-reasons-autism-rates-are-up-in-the-u-s/

The article that ends with..

Is there no real increase in autism rates, then?
Awareness and changing criteria probably account for the bulk of the rise in prevalence, but biological factors might also contribute, says Durkin. For example, having older parents, particularly an older father, may boost the risk of autism. Children born prematurely also are at increased risk of autism, and more premature infants survive now than ever before.

That backs up what the rest of us have said.

Odhinn

She's associating with justin barrett now.

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've just quoted the American scientific journal the fact is there is a rise in autism world wide, I just don't think the explanation is better diagnosis

And I've provided a link to the article it clearly says that the bulk of the increase can clearly be attributed to diagnosis. You're not very good at backing up your opinions with any sort of proof are you.

gandalf

Odhinn wrote: »

She's associating with justin barrett now.

Doesn't surprise me, all the loons grouping together.

Charles Ingles

Flange/Flanders wrote: »

Thalidomide wasnt covered up, the effects were reported within a couple of years.

Wasn't covered up?
I lived through it I think you will find there are hundreds of Irish and English mother's who had children born with deformed children many of whom battled for apologies and redress.
Do you know what they had to go through?
They were lied to laughed at, eventually they got justice to suggest there was no cover up Is astounding

Charles Ingles

gandalf wrote: »

And I've provided a link to the article it clearly says that the bulk of the increase can clearly be attributed to diagnosis. You're not very good at backing up your opinions with any sort of proof are you.

Do you honestly not think
Environmental, dietary or possible medical side effects might be a possible alternative as an explanation for the rise

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Do you honestly not think
Environmental, dietary or possible medical side effects might be a possible alternative as an explanation for the rise

Show me a credible source for this and I'll consider it, I suspect you can't.

I mean you just posted an article as proof for your assertions that actually contradicted them?

I think even you can understand why some of us consider your contributions here are without merit if that is the level of backup you can provide.

Charles Ingles

gandalf wrote: »

Show me a credible source for this and I'll consider it, I suspect you can't.

I mean you just posted an article as proof for your assertions that actually contradicted them?

I think even you can understand why some of us consider your contributions here are without merit if that is the level of backup you can provide.

Well fortunately the future of humanity doesn't hang on the outcome of our conversation, we are just two anonymous people on the internet having a conversation exchanging opinions.
I will agree my opinion is based on a hunch or a feeling ,but that's ok too I'm not trying to change anybody's mind just stating an opinion

gandalf

Btw I'm on a ferry from France so I'll be offline for 20 hours but I look forward to being educated by the lucent and credible proof that Charles ingles is going to post in the meantime when I arrive back in Ireland 😁

CosmicFool

Would the increase in Autism be that there's an increase in the population and also better detection of Autism than before? Women are having children later in their lives now so it would cause more complications not just with autism but other issues too

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Well fortunately the future of humanity doesn't hang on the outcome of our conversation, we are just two anonymous people on the internet having a conversation exchanging opinions.
I will agree my opinion is based on a hunch or a feeling ,but that's ok too I'm not trying to change anybody's mind just stating an opinion

You see you said earlier you could provide proof and facts and now you're saying you can't and it's all just a feeling.

The problem is that people like you posting "gut feelings" are putting people off vaccinating their children with proven vaccines and endangering their kids and the children who for Medical reasons can't receive vaccines.

Charles Ingles

gandalf wrote: »

Btw I'm on a ferry from France so I'll be offline for 20 hours but I look forward to being educated by the lucent and credible proof that Charles ingles is going to post in the meantime when I arrive back in Ireland ðŸ˜

Have a safe journey, seas should be rough with the storm.
Charles will be waiting your safe return

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Convinced Charles is my father in law.

Charles Ingles

CosmicFool wrote: »

Would the increase in Autism be that there's an increase in the population and also better detection of Autism than before? Women are having children later in their lives now so it would cause more complications not just with autism but other issues too

You know the child birth in later life could be another factor , never thought of that very good point,

Charles Ingles

circadian wrote: »

Convinced Charles is my father in law.

Well if I am, I want my lawnmower back you have it two weeks now

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

You know the child birth in later life could be another factor , never thought of that very good point,

Lol it's mentioned in the article you quoted, which you obviously never read 😂🤣😂🤣

Charles Ingles

I've to bring Mrs ingles to bingo now,
I'll be back later to finish off kicking all your backsides in this debate.

gandalf

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've to bring Mrs ingles to bingo now,
I'll be back later to finish off kicking all your backsides in this debate.

The only arse you're kicking is your own 😁

CosmicFool

It's crazy that a paper published 20 odd years ago( which was proven to be false by the way) has still an impact today. I can see what people distrust the pharma companies and governments because they've lied an covered up things constantly and people distrust anything They say now but you cannot deny that their is a serious amount of scientific evidence that vaccines like the MMR are safe.

I can't fathom why people would put their children at serious risk and not vaccinate. It's utter negligence.

I do believe that Pharma companies have cleaned up their act as they cannot afford to put products on the market that would harm the population in today world with the likes of social media. They make their money off products that work so they do need them to succeed

Rechuchote

What else has increased enormously at the same time as autism? Pollution from vehicles, for a start. There are all kinds of things that are parallel with the autism rise - and I'd agree that it certainly seems that there are more autistic people - though this may be simply that in those ignorant days of the 1950s and 1960s the solution to someone with a terrible mental deficit was "Put him in a home", and to someone with a social oddness was "Ah, she's just a bit strange, y'know."

But vaccines… if you'd lived through the polio epidemic of 1956 (since when the once popular swimming beach at Sandymount, the epicentre of infection in Dublin, has never recovered), you would have a more mediated view of vaccination. No more polio epidemics here now, though there are in countries where rumours spread that the CIA is sterilising people while pretending to be vaccinating them…

Here's a TED Talk from Argentina about vaccination and herd immunity - in Spanish with English subtitles

https://www.ted.com/talks/romina_libster_the_power_of_herd_immunity/discussion