Johnboy1951 wrote: » You seem to mean car drivers and such? ...... those with seats with headrests and surrounded by air bags designed to prevent head injuries? Is that what you really meant?
...Ghost... wrote: » Fashion statement, or maybe less risk of brain injury. Hugely depends on the scooter and the weight of the rider. At full speed (25km/h) I would guess about 2.5m.
...Ghost... wrote: » Hugely depends on the scooter and the weight of the rider. At full speed (25km/h) I would guess about 2.5m.
Garibaldi? wrote: » Would love a scooter if they are made legal. But one disadvantage they have is the inability to carry much stuff. You'd need a backpack
ted1 wrote: » Risk of brain injury !! That contradicts the statement about scooters being safe. At least with cycling your get cardio and other exercises
tuxy wrote: » So the stopping time is well under 1 second? That's amazing and far better that anything else on the road.
ted1 wrote: » So you are saying we don’t have a high claims rate with regards to whiplash , general neck and head injuries in Ireland ? Why do rally drivers who have roll cages and 5 point seat belts wear them.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Huh!??? I said nothing about any of that, just asked a question. You are now comparing ordinary road use to rally driving? OK.
we know that more people get traumatic brain injuries in cars than anywhere else. And it is not just because more people drive; we know that the rate of injury and death per million hours traveled is actually higher for drivers than it is for cyclists. So why don’t drivers have to wear helmets? Cycling historian Carlton Reid has asked the same question, and notes that in Australia, car helmets were actually manufactured and sold by Davies Craig, an Australian manufacturer of automotive parts. Reid writes on Motoring, a British car website: “Commonly a head injury arises when the head strikes the A or B pillar, windscreen, or the head of another occupant,” Davies told me by email from Australia. He added: “Medical treatment is a drain on society.” The use of motoring helmets is a “sensible concept,” wrote Davies in 1988. The Davies Craig Motoring Helmet wasn’t for motorsport it was for everyday use. The helmet’s packaging featured families wearing helmets while pooling around town, and a businessman wearing one while being driven by a helmet-wearing chauffeur. Reid wonders why there was never a move to make helmets mandatory for drivers. After all, the logic is identical to that for cyclists; professional racers in both cars and bikes wear helmets, but race car drivers don’t wear fireproof suits and helmets driving around town. It’s a mystery because surely if such helmets saved just one life it would be worth it? Part of the reason for the product’s lack of success could be the widespread belief that motoring isn’t dangerous to car occupants. “Motorists perceived they were safe, strapped in a steel cage,” said Davies. Reid, writing from the UK, asks why this is all ignored. Given that crashing motor cars is the leading cause of death among young men, and that wearing helmets could save lives, isn’t it time the UK Government made motoring helmets compulsory? Personally, I wish there was a really light, good looking and comfortable helmet that older people could wear while walking; falls and head injuries a major issue for them. Showers are a problem too, killing one American every day; unless you have proper safe showering infrastructure (separate shower with non-slip floor and handrails) lives would be saved if there were mandatory shower helmets. But lets start with the most sensible target: Helmets for drivers. If it saves just one life….
Lumen wrote: » That would require over 1g of deceleration. I find that rather implausible, given the geometry of the scooter and human.
The most recent death was of Irish exchange student Mark Sands, who died in Austin, Texas , on 2 February, after colliding with a Uber car.
rubadub wrote: » durrrr, you would be utterly stupid not to wear one in a car...
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » To be pedantic two thirds of a gThe most recent death was of Irish exchange student Mark Sands, who died in Austin, Texas , on 2 February, after colliding with a Uber car.E-scooter hire company Lime has warned about a fault that can lead to riders being flung off scooters at high speed.
prinzeugen wrote: » This thing is turning into a cycle forum debate and it is getting ridiculous when people start talking about driving helmets!
This Danish campaign poster reads: "A walking helmet is a good helmet" "Traffic safety isn't just for cyclists. The pedestrians of Denmark actually have a higher risk of head injury. The Danish Road Safety Council recommends walking helmets for pedestrians and other good folk in high risk groups." The slogan is catchy in Danish since it kind of rhymes. All in all it's a brilliant project. Let's save some lives. The new walking helmets will be available in the Danish Cyclists Union's [Dansk cyklist forbund] shop. Although, as the Danish Cyclists' Union, the Road Safety Council and Trygfonden have been quick to point out: "A bike helmet is a fine substitute for walking helmets, so there's no need to take it off when you get off your bike. Keep it on throughout the day for maximum safety."
The Centre has been evaluating the concept of a protective headband for car occupants. In about 44 percent of cases of occupant head injury, a protective headband, such as the one illustrated, would have provided some benefit. One estimate has put the potential benefit of such a device (in terms of reduced societal Harm) as high as $380 million, compared with $123 million for padding the upper interior of the car. This benefit derives from the fact that in a crash, the head strikes objects other than those that could be padded inside the car.
rubadub wrote: » I don't see what is so ridiculous about it. People thought the idea of cycling helmets was ridiculous when I was growing up, "A bike helmet is a fine substitute for walking helmets, so there's no need to take it off when you get off your bike. Keep it on throughout the day for maximum safety."
"A bike helmet is a fine substitute for walking helmets, so there's no need to take it off when you get off your bike. Keep it on throughout the day for maximum safety."
...Ghost... wrote: » There is a risk (however small) that the scooter could be seized and you could be fined and brought to court. I only scoot short distances in DCC and I pass Gardai often. I have not had any problems yet. I agree that 25km/h is fast enough. The Xiaomi M365 is the most popular one on the road and the average person will only achieve a speed of 25km/h. I find my e-scooter to be very handy and use a quality U-Lock to secure it if I can't take it indoors with me. Expect a real life range of 15km to avoid any disappointment.
Lumen wrote: » 16 year olds in cycle lanes on 50kph scooters. This is a brilliant idea with no obvious downsides.
...Ghost... wrote: » You can legally ride a moped at 16 which can reach 80kph and are often in, or straddling the cycle lanes. I'm not suggesting anyone rides at 50kph in a cycle lane. I'm quite happy trundling along at 15-20 myself.
punisher5112 wrote: » ... Once insured, licence, correct lighting etc which nobody will have on a bicycle or a battery scooter.
beauf wrote: » No one will have correct lighting? What's correct lighting.
pablo128 wrote: » beauf wrote: » No one will have correct lighting? What's correct lighting. A dipped beam for a start. I've been blinded by more cyclists than anyone else lately.
