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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Tower block in Glanmire refused by Council

Honestly I am not surprised, in the least. No way should there be high density in the valley, until it's shown that the future road layout can handle it (and that there will actually be a NRR ever!)

opus

Took a jog to the Millenium Garden on the Lower Road this afternoon, hadn't been down there for a few weeks, the HQ building is shooting up!

And the other side:

marno21

Firstly, happy birthday to this fantastic thread which has been a rotating success and celebrated one year last week. Massive thanks to snotboogie and everyone else for their contributions

Secondly, it's great to see Tivoli plans being pushed ahead: http://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Updated-designs-for-Tivolis-redevelopment-are-considered-in-City-Hall-842b4811-c7ac-4a91-8fc2-1641710f64ee-ds

questionmark?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/plans-for-over-500-apartments-in-two-cork-city-schemes-submitted-to-an-bord-pleanala-919508.html

Plans submitted for 500 apartments in two seperate schemes. Decision due by August 1st.

namloc1980

questionmark? wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/plans-for-over-500-apartments-in-two-cork-city-schemes-submitted-to-an-bord-pleanala-919508.html

Plans submitted for 500 apartments in two seperate schemes. Decision due by August 1st.

C.400 of those already have planning.

questionmark?

namloc1980 wrote: »

questionmark? wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/plans-for-over-500-apartments-in-two-cork-city-schemes-submitted-to-an-bord-pleanala-919508.html

Plans submitted for 500 apartments in two seperate schemes. Decision due by August 1st.

C.400 of those already have planning.

Really? Bit confusing as they say the submissions have now gone to ABP.

namloc1980

questionmark? wrote: »

Really? Bit confusing as they say the submissions have now gone to ABP.

Yeah says so in the article:

Currently, the HQ Development, a joint venture from Clarendon and BAM Ireland, has approval for 237 apartments, in addition to 37,000 sq m of office space and a hotel with a rooftop bar.

They have now applied to An Bord Pleanála to increase this to 302 apartments.

So that's 65 extra at HQ and at Blackrock:

The site has previously been the subject of several other planning applications, including an existing approved plan for 141 residential units. Glenveagh hopes to increase this to 274, with 176 car parking spaces also included.

133 extra.

Anteayer

What is happening with that giant pile of rubble where the tax office used to be and why was the building demolished without any prospect of proceeding to construction.

It's an absolute eyesore and looks like the city has been hit by an earthquake or aerial bombardment!

Is the council not able to do anything?

Also what materials are in that pile? Eg is there any asbestos? It's been sitting there blowing around for months.

D'Agger

Anteayer wrote: »

What is happening with that giant pile of rubble where the tax office used to be and why was the building demolished without any prospect of proceeding to construction.

It's an absolute eyesore and looks like the city has been hit by an earthquake or aerial bombardment!

Is the council not able to do anything?

Also what materials are in that pile? Eg is there any asbestos? It's been sitting there blowing around for months.

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BUNK1982

ICYMI - The Irish Examiner are running a series of articles around the development of Cork City:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/maintopics/cork-on-the-rise-4801.html

A lot of the usual suspects and reoccurring themes but still a good read so far.

snotboogie

BUNK1982 wrote: »

ICYMI - The Irish Examiner are running a series of articles around the development of Cork City:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/maintopics/cork-on-the-rise-4801.html

A lot of the usual suspects and reoccurring themes but still a good read so far.

It's been very disappointing so far, we've had the usual unchallenged Save Cork City bias, a small time article on the artwork of Mad About and an unusually rambling piece from Frank Crowley. All we need is Mr Fried Chicken to be accommodated for an angle shoot to lower his rates or the Mayor of Douglas to remind us all that he's alright jack and in that case we need to stop the M28.

I'd love to see something that tackles broad strategies and their implications. Can we get an overview of CMATS and how it will interact with ongoing and future developments. An update on Cork Airport would be great, something where they discuss future routes and current difficulties. I know Eoin English is going to do something on the Event Centre again but I'd love a detailed article on the other staled projects that we rarely hear about like the Mahon Tower, Sullivan's Quay (we know the pile of rubble is awful but what is stopping this being built), the Victoria Hotel, both Metropole developments, Wilton SC, the Nemo Accommodation, the Square Deal, Penny's and on and on and on...

Dermo123

Looks like the construction team have moved into the derelict site on North Main Street where Coleman's Lane is located. The lane is now blocked where it was accessible the other day.
Cannot see anything on the Planning website as to what exactly is being built.

Apogee

Dermo123 wrote: »

Looks like the construction team have moved into the derelict site on North Main Street where Coleman's Lane is located. The lane is now blocked where it was accessible the other day.
Cannot see anything on the Planning website as to what exactly is being built.

Something related to this?

flo8s967qjh0nd

I think the North Main Street activity is probably related to the redevelopment of Edel House on Grattan Street. The rest of that mammoth site doesn't have planning yet.

Nikki Sixx

Could half of Barrack Street be knocked and redeveloped? A lot of buildings are run down there and seem unused. It’s so near the centre, it seems a pity to leave it go to sh1t.

Mumha

snotboogie wrote: »

I know Eoin English is going to do something on the Event Centre again .

I presume English is going to do another hit piece ? That's all he seems to do when it comes to the Event Centre. It would be more informative to try and get behind the story and find out exactly who is holding this up.

snotboogie

Mumha wrote: »

I presume English is going to do another hit piece ? That's all he seems to do when it comes to the Event Centre. It would be more informative to try and get behind the story and find out exactly who is holding this up.

I have no idea, he did a full chronicle of the timeline about a month ago so he must be taking a new angle. Maybe, hopefully he is going to break some news?

Dermo123

Camilla Better Muffler wrote: »

I think the North Main Street activity is probably related to the redevelopment of Edel House on Grattan Street. The rest of that mammoth site doesn't have planning yet.

Don't think it is related to Edel house. See photo below of activity taken from Grattan St.

Anteayer

Nikki Sixx wrote: »

Could half of Barrack Street be knocked and redeveloped? A lot of buildings are run down there and seem unused. It’s so near the centre, it seems a pity to leave it go to sh1t.

They're all privately owned. The only way you'll get change is organically. The council only has powers, which it rarely uses, to deal with actual dereliction. Houses just being a bit shabby is just reflective of it having been a relatively poor part of the city historically.

The redo of the paving definitely helped and things like the Japanese restaurant on Evergreen Street have been huge improvements and potentially are the seeds of rejuvenation.

marno21

Just as night follows day

https://twitter.com/theleggalamb/status/1121419159991193600

Mumha

snotboogie wrote: »

I have no idea, he did a full chronicle of the timeline about a month ago so he must be taking a new angle. Maybe, hopefully he is going to break some news?

One lives in hope !

We're told that

- The State can increase the input from €20m to €30m
- BAM and LiveNation have agreed their financial input

What is of interest to all of us is

- Who is blocking this ?

That's the insightful journalism I want from Eoin English, not a rehashing of what we already know.

marno21

SHD consultation started with ABP this week for 118 apartments at South City Link/Rockboro Road/Gasworks Road

Think this is the 2nd consultation regarding this site: http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/304245.htm

TheChizler

marno21 wrote: »

Just as night follows day

https://twitter.com/theleggalamb/status/1121419159991193600

If I'm not mistaken the drawings clearly show roads joining on to Blackrock Avenue by ALDI, am I wrong?

http://ursulinegardensshd.ie/documents/drawings/engineering/1.%20Proposed%20Roads%20Layout.pdf

Thoie

TheChizler wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken the drawings clearly show roads joining on to Blackrock Avenue by ALDI, am I wrong?

The original plan was that there would not be a straight car run through from Aldio to Blackrock, only a pedestrian way. All the new houses currently being built (and the new apartment block) would be accessed by car from the Blackrock side, and the existing houses/duplexes would be from the Aldi side.

Edit: Just looked at the map you linked - that's different again from others I've seen. In all other versions the "red" road didn't exist and the entrance was only from the Blackrock side. That one does look like there'd be a road all the way through from Aldi to the village.

Rhys Essien

UCC handed over a big wedge of cash today. Looking forward to the new design. Hopefully they go for something eye catching.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1121424348928147457?s=21

snotboogie

marno21 wrote: »

SHD consultation started with ABP this week for 118 apartments at South City Link/Rockboro Road/Gasworks Road

Think this is the 2nd consultation regarding this site: http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/304245.htm

This is the site where they were discussing 10+ stories?

snotboogie

Mumha wrote: »

One lives in hope !

We're told that

- The State can increase the input from €20m to €30m
- BAM and LiveNation have agreed their financial input

What is of interest to all of us is

- Who is blocking this ?

That's the insightful journalism I want from Eoin English, not a rehashing of what we already know.

The city council are awaiting legal advice on the funding now. Technically the city council are blocking the project since BAM won’t resubmit planning until the funding is guaranteed. The city council were never mentioned as a further necessary approval step while we were waiting for central government funding, so I have no idea how they are now blocking the project. It’s all pretty opaque and BAM putting what is effectively the sister site at Sullivan’s Quay up for sale just adds to the confusion.

Roger Hassenforder

snotboogie wrote: »

The city council are awaiting legal advice on the funding now. Technically the city council are blocking the project since BAM won’t resubmit planning until the funding is guaranteed. The city council were never mentioned as a further necessary approval step while we were waiting for central government funding, so I have no idea how they are now blocking the project. It’s all pretty opaque and BAM putting what is effectively the sister site at Sullivan’s Quay up for sale just adds to the confusion.

I thought it was with BAM, to see if they're willing to take on the extra 10m as a loan?
If they will then it goes back to the Dept for further cost-benifet and approval. I could be wrong (unsurprisingly) but there might even be a European step to it?

marno21

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1121527446958899205

48 page supplement in de paper tomorrow about Cork on the Rise

I really hope that image on the front of the supplement including the Custom House Tower comes true

bdmc5

Thoie wrote: »

The original plan was that there would not be a straight car run through from Aldio to Blackrock, only a pedestrian way. All the new houses currently being built (and the new apartment block) would be accessed by car from the Blackrock side, and the existing houses/duplexes would be from the Aldi side.

Edit: Just looked at the map you linked - that's different again from others I've seen. In all other versions the "red" road didn't exist and the entrance was only from the Blackrock side. That one does look like there'd be a road all the way through from Aldi to the village.

Its not actually possible to see from the linked road route there is a straight through from Blackrock village to Aldi.

The plan was always to block off the “The crescent” access by house No.1 on that street, this is much further to the right hand side off that linked map".

If you have a look at p24 (document 8) linked below its states “While there is no direct vehicular route through the site from the Skehard Road to the Blackrock Road, there a number of pedestrian and cyclist routes which are easy to navigate”

ursulinegardensshd.ie/planning-application-documents/planning-and-architectural/