Lillianna Microscopic Gnu wrote: Yes the boss is an arsehole. Dishonest as the OP was, it doesn't change that the boss is an arsehole - putting it kindly.
Lillianna Microscopic Gnu wrote: » Yes the boss is an arsehole. Dishonest as the OP was, it doesn't change that the boss is an arsehole - putting it kindly. When is sickness not terrible misconduct? Cancer?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » You miss the part where the OP rang and said the child was sick throughout the night but produced a cert to claim it was the OP who was sick. Dishonest behaviour not a concern for you in a new employee?
spockety wrote: I have enough experience to take into account the stress, anxiety, and panic the employee would have been feeling, so no it would not be a concern. I'd make sure the employee knew I was the type of boss who would react with compassion and understanding when it comes to things like sick kids, so they knew that in future there was no need to be anything other than completely straight. In this case anyway, the doctor sounds like the one who has put her in an awful spot.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » The OP is an adult and is solely responsible for the position they find themselves in.
tatsplat wrote: » I rang to say my child was sick as he had thrown up during the night then when he was continuously sick throughout the day and showing signs of dehydration I took him to doctor who produced the sick cert in my name since as he put it when I asked for a note for the baby I would not be allowed time off for him being sick and better to say I was. Further questions your honour?
spockety wrote: » BTW, the OP hasn't actually said that the employer knows anything about the child's illness, only that she called in sick and has a note for gastric flu? In that case as an employer blissfully unaware of the real situation, I'd still be thinking "Jesus, sorry to hear you got gastric flu, can't be helped don't stress about it. Take care of yourself and come back to us when you're up to it". Trust shouldn't need to be earned in these situations. It is a given. Yes it's annoying for an employer when someone is out sick unexpectedly. Things can't get done, things get delayed, etc. Tough titty, that's what happens when you employ humans. As an employer that's the risk you take on and the environment you work in, it's up to you to deal with it without lashing out at your employees.
tatsplat wrote: Actually the note says that I have gastric flu, I didn't explain very well
tatsplat wrote: I asked the doctor for a note to say the baby was sick but he said it would not allow me time off work and he would write one in my name instead. Since no creche or childminder will take a sick child and I haven't family that can care for him not sure what else I could have done tbh.
tatsplat wrote: That's because I asked the doctor for a note to say my child was unwell but he said it would not be accepted by boss to allow me time off and he would write one in my name. Since no creche or childminder will take a child who is ill and I don't have family to care for him not sure what else I was supposed to do. My fault for needing to work but also wanting to be a mother I suppose
tatsplat wrote: I rang to say my child was sick as he had thrown up during the night then when he was continuously sick throughout the day and showing signs of dehydration I took him to doctor who produced the sick cert in my name since as he put it when I asked for a note for the baby I would not be allowed time off for him being sick and better to say I was. Further questions your honour?
spockety wrote: BTW, the OP hasn't actually said that the employer knows anything about the child's illness, only that she called in sick and has a note for gastric flu?
spockety wrote: » OP what exactly did your boss say when you subsequently rang in to say you had a cert for gastric flu for yourself?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » You read any of the OP's posts? The fourth quote answers your question and prehaps explains the employers annoyance with the OP.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So the OP has shown themselves to be dishonest, yet based on the OPs claim it's the employer who is at fault?. Awesome logic.
tatsplat wrote: » He just said that another employee was off on leave they had requested 3 weeks ago, and that it wasn't very good as I had only just started. When I said that I didn't know that this was going to happen and that I had no one else I could leave my baby with (he is under 2) he backtracked a bit.
spockety wrote: » Aye. In which case, the OP may need to come clean with her employer and explain what happened without leaving anything out. Apologise, and explain. There was obviously no malicious intent. This is not someone calling in sick when they have a hangover, or skiving off for a few days. It will tell her employer a lot about her, and the reaction of her employer should also tell her a lot about what kind of place she has started working in, or what kind of boss she has signed up to. I still maintain that presented with all the facts even now, I would have sympathy towards the OPs position. At the heart of this is a sick child that needs to be cared for.
Lillianna Microscopic Gnu wrote: The boss doesn't know that the OP was lying with the note; why are you pretending that they do?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I'm out, last advice OP. Start a job search you have shown after 5 weeks you can't be trusted. Good luck.
Deleted User wrote: » Sickness isn’t terrible misconduct. How you deal with it is the issue. The OP shot herself in the foot by ringing her boss saying that her child was sick then handing in a Cert saying that SHE was sick. Showing oneself to be dishonest so soon into a job is a recipe for disaster. Being a working parent is tough, especially when there doesn’t seem to be any family close by.
tatsplat wrote: » He didn't accuse me of skiving off if that's the issue. Feel like I need to state I'm not after Paid sick leave since my company doesn't offer that. I just didn't have any option as no one else to watch the baby. Since my job is only part time and my husband is full time and earns more it was more feasible we miss out on my pay than his.
Lillianna Microscopic Gnu wrote: It appears you're not out. Have they shown to their boss they can't be trusted? People in this thread are not their boss.
spockety wrote: » The company doesn't even have to pay you for the days you are taking off?? In that case my disdain for your boss has gone slightly higher.
Lillianna Microscopic Gnu wrote: And the boss doesn't know about the dishonesty so that's moot.
Lillianna Microscopic Gnu wrote: A vile person - and of course all the bad-asses here thinking he's great. Imagine my shock.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » An employer being right is not the same as an employer being great. Childish response tbh .
spockety wrote: » This is true, and while it wasn't my response I'll just pick up on something. In a wider sense, the OP finds herself in this position because there are too many old fashioned views, old fashioned companies, and old fashioned bosses still out there who cannot for the life of them see the link between the health and satisfaction of their employees, and the health of their business. It is crazy that people are scared to get sick, stressed about the work implications of major issues at home etc. Progressive companies, and progressive leaders handle this kind of stuff with ease, and if they were more widespread then people wouldn't have the kind of worries that puts them in these situations.
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