Snow Garden wrote: » I always have the perception that SF want to take us back to the 50s. 'Ourselves Alone' and all that. They have been anti-EU for decades (unless it suits them). They are constantly using the Irish language in a pretentious way - changing their names and speaking Irish randomly and unneccessarily in the media. Yeah yeah it's our national language but English is far far more widely understood. I mean I cannot believe an Irish language Act is a red line issue for the Stormont reopening. The mind boggles. Would they waste even more money from their magical money tree on the Irish language if they got to power? That kind of segregated nonsense just alienates normal people/voters.
derfderf wrote: » It's on wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland They opposed joining the ECC, and opposed every treaty since. Are you saying outside of the treaties they support the project? To add, the version of the EU they opposed through rejection of the treaties is the exact same version they're now campaigning to keep NI a part of.
Johnny Dogs wrote: » Disagreeing with a treaty doesn't make a party anti EU/ECC. Just googled Sinn Fein wanting Ireland to leave either but not having much luck, I found this. from here do you have any examples?
derfderf wrote: » If people followed SF's recommendation Ireland wouldn't be in the EU/ECC. They've disagreed with every treaty, and now they're promoting themselves as the party trying to keep NI. You don't see a problem with this? If the wind blows the other way, and the DUP position themselves as a party for same sex marriage, you'd be happy enough with that?
Overall, Sinn F’s attitude towards the EU can be described as one of “critical engagement”. The party acknowledges the economic benefits of membership, so does not advocate leaving the EU or the Eurozone. Rather, it is a nationalist party that seeks to limit the extent to which supranational institutions like the Commission take power away from national governments.
maccored wrote: » whats wrong with voting against treaties that have points they disagree with? are they meant to agree with everything, because if they dont they dont want to be in the EU? Thats ridiculous talk.
blanch152 wrote: » The DUP and SF have created a political vacuum in the North by refusing to put back in place the GFA institutions. They are jointly and equally to blame.
Johnny Dogs wrote: » What had Mary Lou McDonald/Arlene Foster or their respective political parties have to do with Ms McKee's tragic death? She was shot dead by dissident Republicans (opposed to the GFA) who didn't appreciate the PSNI conducting searches in suspected dissidents homes in the hope of disruption to possibly displaying shows of strength at Easter Parades. Unless you are blaming either of the two politicians for Easter, the Easter rising, or the PSNI searches, or even the dissidents firing indiscriminately?The dissidents oppose SF because the GFA. The dissidents oppose the DUP, because no need for me to be stating the bleeding obvious. The dissidents oppose the PSNI because see above. It looks like you either don't have a baldy notion what you're on about, or tried to use Ms McKee's death to score some kind of political point, though I can't think what it would be.
sliabh 1956 wrote: » I just saw a clip from the funeral of Lyra Mc Kee the look on Mary Lous and Forsters faces during t he standing ovation sums up their attitude to the political crises in the North the could n't care less as long as they keep their tribes happy. They then felt shamed to join in hypocrites the lot of them . Fair play to the priest for putting it up to them.
derfderf wrote: » Sin Fein always strike me as sneaky opportunists. They're playing Brexit well, and claim to want to represent the majority in NI that voted remain. It never seems to be brought up that they campaigned for a no vote on all EU treaties. That I can recall anyway (Maastricht, Nice, and Lisbon).
Matt Barrett wrote: » Sounds like any political party to me sadly. TBF, they've stood by more than many others. Also we'll not get a good measure until they get in down south. As for the north, different situation and think they were right to call out DUP corruption even if playing politics it was their duty to do so IMO. Maybe if labour did similar regards Reilly's clinic allocation and the currently under investigation sweet Siteserv deal Labour might still be note worthy.
The_Fitz wrote: » It's always brought up, where have you been? SF wouldn't be SF without u-turning all over the shop.
touts wrote: » Depends on your circle of friends I suppose. I would say 80%+ of the people I know would vote against a United Ireland. It's not that they wouldn't want a United Ireland in theory it's just they don't believe we can remotely afford to pump money into the North like the UK do and also that there is likely to be a violent reaction from a sizable proportion of the Unionist community. If voters in the south are given a choice on a United Ireland then I think it will be soundly defeated which is why Sinn Fein are always only talking about a vote in the North and never mention an all island vote.
The_Fitz wrote: » I have not met anyone in ROI who doesn't want a UI. I'm sure there are loads (a rough guess of between 15-25% maybe). A recent poll found Connacht the province with the strongest support of a UI (think it was 70%). Obviously polls are to be taken with a pinch of salt, but will it be that wrong? Found the poll from last week.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/62-in-republic-want-irish-unity-in-brexit-aftermath-says-poll-38014469.html
Matt Barrett wrote: » If not SF we in the least need a new approach and FF/FG isn't it.
Snow Garden wrote: » The 2015 Behaviour & Attitudes poll in ROI is a classic.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Opinion_Polling_on_Irish_Unification Q1. In the short to medium term, do you think Northern Ireland should Unify with the rest of Ireland? 36% Yes Q2. Would you like to see a united Ireland in your lifetime? 66% Yes Q3. Would you be in favour or against a united Ireland if it meant You would have to pay more tax? 31% As I said before, the devil is in the detail. It's the economy stupid.
Snow Garden wrote: » I am a Galway man and I reckon there would be utter apathy here around a United Ireland referendum. People just don't seem to care either way. Brexit has brought the topic up for the first time in any serious way. I don't think FF/FG would actively campaign against but they mightn't push too strong for it either. They would be wary about how well SF might do out of it. There would be serious concern on the economic side. The UK plough a lot of money into NI and they have a very large % of the workforce in the public service. It would be interesting to see how that would be managed.
Poll: Just 3.8% want a united Irelandhttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/poll-just-3-8-want-a-united-ireland-29584149.html
The_Fitz wrote: » Would be amazing to see her there I think they would, could you think of a scenario when FF or FG actively campaign against a UI? Connacht in my experience would be one of the strongest supporters of reunification. Based on the square root of f**k all (a few polls and experiences), I'd say 70/30 in favour in the south. The north now, who knows. You probably have that core 30% in favour. The middle classes who would see a potential increase in standard of living could go anywhere. Never did I imagine this level of debate though.
Northern Ireland receives more public money and generates less tax revenue per head than any other part of the UK. The region was £9bn in the red, amounting to £5,052 per person, for the year 2008/09, according to figures just released by the Northern Ireland Executive. That's almost three times the UK average of £1,785. Even Scotland, which is often cited as a big beneficiary of public funds, fares much better than Northern Ireland. There, the comparable figure is £2,000 less per person than in Northern Ireland.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Whether ignorance, dishonesty or hyperbole, if this is the standard of discussion, I'm out. Enjoy
Snow Garden wrote: » Were there polls on it? I have never seen any. My numbers are pure guesswork but I have never met anyone in ROI that wanted a United Ireland. They cant even open Storment ffs. They are just trouble.
Snow Garden wrote: » Very surprised by that. There is the Brexit factor but 1000 is a small sample. The devil is in the detail. I would like to see a larger poll by RedC or similar. I wonder would FG/FG/Lab really support it with enthusiasm. Imagine the likes of Arlene in Leinster House...
