Abortion Discussion, Part the Fourth

uptherebels wrote: »

Then they would be protesting outside the dail, where the people with the power to "right the wrong" are.

they can do that as well if that is what they wish to do.

uptherebels

amcalester wrote: »

Apologies I was under the impression, and I may be remembering it incorrectly, that you supported a woman’s right to travel for the purposes of acquiring an abortion.

But regardless, you say 100% wrong, only you’ll make an exception for rape cases.

That poster has already clarified that rape isn't a reason for an abortion.

SusieBlue wrote: »

How totally patronizing.
The women seeking terminations don’t need the intervention of any soapboxers.
It’s no ones business except the woman’s and nobody has the authority to determine whether the choice she is making is wrong or right except her.

They should simply live their own lives as they see fit and stop involving themselves in other peoples private business.

obviously that is not possible given the life of an unborn human being is being ended, most likely unnecessarily. while such continues to happen there will be people who are opposed to it. that is just how it is

uptherebels

end of the road wrote: »

i answered that in post 117.

abortion that happens abroad is 100% wrong. i have never stated otherwise.

i am not involved in the protests myself. nobody is a saint. however yes i do believe the protesters simply wish to right a wrong and are mostly good people at heart.

Then they would be protesting outside the dail, where the people with the power to "right the wrong" are.

uptherebels

end of the road wrote: »

perhapse it might make them realise the reality that killing an unborn human being who is healthy, and when the mother's life isn't in danger, is completely wrong and unjustifiable.

You need to understand the difference between your opinion and reality

SusieBlue

end of the road wrote: »

i am not involved in the protests myself. nobody is a saint. however yes i do believe the protesters simply wish to right a wrong and are mostly good people at heart.

How totally patronizing.
The women seeking terminations don’t need the intervention of any soapboxers.
It’s no ones business except the woman’s and nobody has the authority to determine whether the choice she is making is wrong or right except her.

They should simply live their own lives as they see fit and stop involving themselves in other peoples private business.

robarmstrong

end of the road wrote: »

perhapse it might make them realise the reality that killing an unborn human being who is healthy, and when the mother's life isn't in danger, is completely wrong and unjustifiable.

So what about a healthy unborn human being who was conceived out of rape, why are you so “welcoming” (in layman’s terms) of a termination in the case of rape?

Why does the scenario of conception differentiate your views on abortion when both mother and unborn are healthy?

Why is the woman who aborts a healthy child conceived out of consensual intercourse a killer, yet the woman who aborts a healthy child out of rape, not a killer?

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end of the road wrote: »

that is not correct. it is you who has made that claim which is inaccurate.

i have ignored it because it's irrelevant and is a line of discussion going nowhere. nothing to do with your claim of me supposebly being caught out by contradictions which hasn't happened. so i will not be answering this specific question as it is not abortion related.

It's very much abortion related, in terms of your posts, but you don't seem to have the answer or don't want to answer.

amcalester wrote: »

Apologies I was under the impression, and I may be remembering it incorrectly, that you supported a woman’s right to travel for the purposes of acquiring an abortion.

But regardless, you say 100% wrong, only you’ll make an exception for rape cases.

no it is FFA cases or where the mother's life is in danger. i separate those out from abortion on demand.

amcalester

end of the road wrote: »

abortion that happens abroad is 100% wrong. i have never stated otherwise.

Apologies I was under the impression, and I may be remembering it incorrectly, that you supported a woman’s right to travel for the purposes of acquiring an abortion.

But regardless, you say 100% wrong, only you’ll make an exception for rape cases.

eviltwin wrote: »

So explain to me how an "abortion is murder" placard is of any help to the woman in crisis

i answered that in post 117.

amcalester wrote: »

That’s very disingenuous, the topic also includes protests and you are against limiting individuals or groups right to protest, except when there is a strike involved.

You have opposing viewpoints depending on the situation. That’s a contradiction.

Same as your view that abortion is wrong, except in cases of rape. Or if it happens abroad.

Very inconsistent viewpoints.

Of course I could be wrong and you do support people’s right to cross a picket.

abortion that happens abroad is 100% wrong. i have never stated otherwise.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Ah yes, cause all these silly women signed up for abortions with no idea what they were getting themselves into and did no research on the procedure whatsoever.
They probably thought it was the latest beauty treatment lols!

But luckily you’ll be standing nearby on hand to inform them of the ‘reality’ that they’re evil murderers.
Saving them from themselves, because they don’t know any better and are incapable of making an informed choice about their own medical care.

You and your ilk are modern day saints, really.

i am not involved in the protests myself. nobody is a saint. however yes i do believe the protesters simply wish to right a wrong and are mostly good people at heart.

amcalester wrote: »

That’s very disingenuous, the topic also includes protests and you are against limiting individuals or groups right to protest, except when there is a strike involved.

You have opposing viewpoints depending on the situation. That’s a contradiction.

Same as your view that abortion is wrong, except in cases of rape. Or if it happens abroad.

Very inconsistent viewpoints.

Of course I could be wrong and you do support people’s right to cross a picket.

the word you are looking for is hypocritical

SusieBlue

end of the road wrote: »

presumably it might make at least 1 person see the reality of what they are doing. perhapse an actual protester would be the best to give you an answer however.

Ah yes, cause all these silly women signed up for abortions with no idea what they were getting themselves into and did no research on the procedure whatsoever.
They probably thought it was the latest beauty treatment lols!

But luckily you’ll be standing nearby on hand to inform them of the ‘reality’ that they’re evil murderers.
Saving them from themselves, because they don’t know any better and are incapable of making an informed choice about their own medical care.

You and your ilk are modern day saints, really.

amcalester

end of the road wrote: »

i have ignored it because it's irrelevant and is a line of discussion going nowhere. nothing to do with your claim of me supposebly being caught out by contradictions which hasn't happened. so i will not be answering this specific question as it is not abortion related.

That’s very disingenuous, the topic also includes protests and you are against limiting individuals or groups right to protest, except when there is a strike involved.

You have opposing viewpoints depending on the situation. That’s a contradiction.

Same as your view that abortion is wrong, except in cases of rape. Or if it happens abroad.

Very inconsistent viewpoints.

Of course I could be wrong and you do support people’s right to cross a picket.

Cabaal

splinter65 wrote: »

You’ll have your hands full trying to silence that volume of voices.

You honestly think that many people are will to protest outside GPs and hospitals?if you do then you are in cloud cuckoo land.

Most people see the zealots outside hospitals picketing with rosary etc as nut bags. They are a very small minority fringe group.

end of the road wrote: »

that is not correct. it is you who has made that claim which is inaccurate.

i have ignored it because it's irrelevant and is a line of going nowhere. nothing to do with your claim of me supposebly being caught out by contradictions which hasn't happened. so i will not be answering this specific question as it is not abortion related.

What evidence do you have to support any of what you are saying?

end of the road wrote: »

that is not correct. it is you who has made that claim which is inaccurate..

So explain to me how an "abortion is murder" placard is of any help to the woman in crisis

eviltwin wrote: »

So you've no interest in addressing the issues that led them to that decision, you just want them to think their a baby killer. At least you're honest about it

that is not correct. it is you who has made that claim which is inaccurate.

amcalester wrote: »

You’ve ignored my question a few times, usually that means that you’ve been caught out by your own contradictory posts.

Here it is again.

The reason I’m asking is your answer (or lack of) goes a long to determining your bona fides.

i have ignored it because it's irrelevant and is a line of discussion going nowhere. nothing to do with your claim of me supposebly being caught out by contradictions which hasn't happened. so i will not be answering this specific question as it is not abortion related.

amcalester

end of the road wrote: »

presumably it might make at least 1 person see the reality of what they are doing. perhapse an actual protester would be the best to give you an answer however.

You’ve ignored my question a few times, usually that means that you’ve been caught out by your own contradictory posts.

Here it is again.

The reason I’m asking is your answer (or lack of) goes a long to determining your bona fides.

amcalester wrote: »

What about crossing a picket line as a form of protest? Would you respect a persons right to do that?

Or do you still think such a person should expect to be met with physical force to stop them crossing the picket?

end of the road wrote: »

perhapse it might make them realise the reality that killing an unborn human being who is healthy, and when the mother's life isn't in danger, is completely wrong and unjustifiable.

So you've no interest in addressing the issues that led them to that decision, you just want them to think their a baby killer. At least you're honest about it

eviltwin wrote: »

How does some randomer waving a placard help a woman in crisis?

perhapse it might make them realise the reality that killing an unborn human being who is healthy, and when the mother's life isn't in danger, is completely wrong and unjustifiable.

end of the road wrote: »

presumably it might make at least 1 person see the reality of what they are doing. perhapse an actual protester would be the best to give you an answer however.

You seem very clued in on their intentions. What evidence do you have to support what you are sasying?

end of the road wrote: »

presumably it might make at least 1 person see the reality of what they are doing. perhapse an actual protester would be the best to give you an answer however.

How does some randomer waving a placard help a woman in crisis?

eviltwin wrote: »

And how is making that point to women end route to an abortion in any way helpful?

presumably it might make at least 1 person see the reality of what they are doing. perhapse an actual protester would be the best to give you an answer however.

end of the road wrote: »

to highlight the cruelty and barbarity of abortion on demand. to show how unnecessary it is

What evidence do you have to support that?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what evidence do you have to support that?

any time i have heard such people been

spoken to via various talk radio that is the intentions they state, with the opposites who claim otherwise being unable to show otherwise.

end of the road wrote: »

to highlight the cruelty and barbarity of abortion on demand. to show how unnecessary it is

And how is making that point to women end route to an abortion in any way helpful?

end of the road wrote: »

the protesters are 100% honest about their intention.their intention is not as you claim.

what evidence do you have to support that?

eviltwin wrote: »

What's their intention?

to highlight the cruelty and barbarity of abortion on demand. to show how unnecessary it is