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"Book readers" - Season 8 Episode 2 "A Knight of the 7 Kin" - Spoilers post 2 fo

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Tazzimus

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If the dragons get destroyed could the magic go out of the world again, leaving Jon dead, Beric dead and the Red Woman powerless, the Mountain dead, etc..

It's possible for all bar the Mountain.
That was Qyburns ****ery rather than their magic.
It's also what makes Dany resistant to fire

Baggly

Depends if the dragons caused the magic or vice versa.

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Pter wrote: »

So conceivable Beric does it, sacrifices himself to bring Sansa (or someone back).

If the dragons get destroyed could the magic go out of the world again, leaving Jon dead, Beric dead and the Red Woman powerless, the Mountain dead, etc..

Baggly

So conceivable Beric does it, sacrifices himself to bring Sansa (or someone back).

Tazzimus

Paddy Cow wrote: »

In the show, Thoros is the one who resurrects people and he's dead, so no more resurrections.

This is also true in the book.
Beric creating Stoneheart was the only time he done it. Every other time it was Thoros.

Paddy Cow

CardBordWindow wrote: »

I'm not.
Beric resurrected Lady Stonehart/Cat. And then he died.
Thoros wouldnt' do it so Beric gave his life.

In the show, Thoros is the one who resurrects people and he's dead, so no more resurrections.

Fian

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

They're funding Cersie's hiring of the Golden Company, I think they only get involved when people fail to pay their debts and Cersie paid the crown's debts in full with Tyrell gold last season. A drawn out siege of Kings Landing could effect their repayments, but I don't think there are enough episodes left for that.

I completely forgot that the iron bank had been repaid. I thought she had reneged on them. Still can't remember them being paid tbh but I guess it has been a while between seasons.

Dial Hard

Trent Houseboat wrote:

I also loved Davos and Gilly both connecting with a lookalike of Sylese who taught them both to read.

Shireen.

Baggly

The White Wolf wrote: »

I expect them to switch because of a pre-existing contract in place. Next week can't end any other way than Jon/Dany's armies being gutted..... possibly with even another dragon going down.

Realistically there will be nothing for Cersei's army to fight unless some sort of swerve happens with the Golden Company.

Jon and Dany in chains in front of Cersei. Tyrion too probably. Qyburn / Jamie approaches the throne to beg a pardon for Tyrion. Mask off, needle out, poke poke poke, Cersei dead by Aryas hand.

The White Wolf

golfball37 wrote: »

The Golden Company are famous for never having broken a contract, it would be silly to have them switch sides last minute imo.

I expect them to switch because of a pre-existing contract in place. Next week can't end any other way than Jon/Dany's armies being gutted..... possibly with even another dragon going down.

Realistically there will be nothing for Cersei's army to fight unless some sort of swerve happens with the Golden Company.

laugh

golfball37 wrote: »

The Golden Company are famous for never having broken a contract, it would be silly to have them switch sides last minute imo.

What if the leader is the faceless man?!

golfball37

The Golden Company are famous for never having broken a contract, it would be silly to have them switch sides last minute imo.

Trent Houseboat

That could be one of my all time favourite episodes. I'm not ashamed to admit tearing up at the line "Rise Brienne of Tarth, a knight of the Seven Kingdoms" and her reaction.

I also loved Davos and Gilly both connecting with a lookalike of Sylese who taught them both to read.

Sam giving a Valyrian steel blade back to House Mormont and granting Jorah the absolution that Jeor never got to.

Theon coming back to die in Winterfell as a Stark with Sansa whom he saved and survived abuse with. To sacrifice his life defending the little brother he'd betrayed. Heavy sh!t man.

I'd rather have scenes like those than a recap from Tormund of thing we've already seen and that has been mentioned twice already or the unveiling of ...a scorpion, the revelation of which was pretty flat when Qyburn did it in the previous season, and it's hard to make anything Qyburn related flat.

Episode one, put everyone in place for the ultimate sacrafice. Episode two reminded us why the f*ck we care about the loss of these characters.

The only bad points of the episode were when Sansa was confronting Dany and Jon confronting Dany were interrupted in fairly tropey outside ways.

You get the feeling that pretty much everyone at that fireside Sean Nós sesh could die next week, though I expect one of the Lannisters to make it back to Kings Landing.

It would be easier to predict who I don't think will die next week.
The Hound for Clegane Bowl.
Arya to cross Cersie off her list
A Lannister for Valonquar (possibly in tandem with Arya above) Jaime will probably die, might even prove himself Azor Ahai in the process. Tyrion might survive the battle and catch a bolt in the belly from Bronn
Jon/Dany 50/50, I'm leaning towards Dany - enraged by the loss of another love and without Tyrion's wisdom, flies off to melt Kings Landing. If Jon survives, I can't imagine he'll give two sh!ts about Cersie
Bran, my own crack-pot theory is that if the Three Eyed Raven is trapped in an eternal struggle with the Night King and if there can be multiple TERs there can be multiple NKs. This NK is defeated and Bran isn't marked by the new one, he can travel way, way north and hide under another tree as an air gapped backup of mankind's history. Bran might even over see some building at Eastwatch on his way.

I expect pretty much most of the other people/Direwolves/Dragons to die.

I don't think the Night King is on his way to Kings Landing (isn't he after Bran), but it is exactly what Robb Stark did with his forces against Tywin in the first season.

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Will the iron bank have a roll this season?.

If there is a battle for Kings landing, could the iron bank help deanarys.

Say offering the mercenaries more money to switch sides.

They're funding Cersie's hiring of the Golden Company, I think they only get involved when people fail to pay their debts and Cersie paid the crown's debts in full with Tyrell gold last season. A drawn out siege of Kings Landing could effect their repayments, but I don't think there are enough episodes left for that.

CardBordWindow

Paddy Cow wrote: »

You're getting Beric and Thoros confused. Thoros resurrected Beric a bunch of times but he died on the mission to capture a wight, so unless Melissandre shows up, no one is getting brought back.

I'm not.
Beric resurrected Lady Stonehart/Cat. And then he died.
Thoros wouldnt' do it so Beric gave his life.

Baggly

Wouldnt it be great if they got the battle for humanity out of the way in the next ep, and then have 3 further episodes of an accountant trying to reconcile the Westeros filings for the last few years. :pac:

Tazzimus

Fairly sure Beric gave his life to resurrect Cat and make her Lady Stoneheart.
Passed the flame along, or something like that.

Fian

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Will the iron bank have a roll this season?.

If there is a battle for Kings landing, could the iron bank help deanarys.

Say offering the mercenaries more money to switch sides.

If this series finishes without any role for the Iron Bank/repercussions from them I will be deeply disappointed. I suspect the golden company might be the mechanism by which the bank intervenes in events in Westeros and puts Cersei in her place.

Paddy Cow

CardBordWindow wrote: »

They could possibly have him resurrect someone alady Stoneheart. A bit of a nod to the books?

You're getting Beric and Thoros confused. Thoros resurrected Beric a bunch of times but he died on the mission to capture a wight, so unless Melissandre shows up, no one is getting brought back.

Baggly

Daith wrote: »

Sansa?

Interesting.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

And he'll still go to protect her people

*wipes away tear.

Daith

CardBordWindow wrote: »

They could possibly have him resurrect someone alá Lady Stoneheart. A bit of a nod to the books?

Sansa?

CardBordWindow

Riddle101 wrote: »

My predictions for who might die next week.

Beric Dondarrion - I like Beric but his character is dead in the books anyway so he'll always be on my list simply because his character has lived longer than it should. That being said, since they didn't go ahead with the Lady Stoneheart storyline I suppose they can basically do anything with the character.

They could possibly have him resurrect someone alá Lady Stoneheart. A bit of a nod to the books?

all the bais

scoobydude wrote: »

Easy... Simpsons season 8 brought us some of the greatest moments in comedy

Lousy smarch weather

[Deleted User]

rawn wrote: »

I think they'll flip it - Missandei will be the one to die

And he'll still go to protect her people

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rawn wrote: »

I think they'll flip it - Missandei will be the one to die

You dont get to see the beaches of Naarth when you express that thats all you want out of life after the war.......

rawn

facehugger99 wrote: »

Pretty sure Grey Worm will die - once you mention going off somewhere after the battle with your beloved, you're dead.

Brienne - yep, she'll die, but she'll die a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

Pod - he dead. He sang a sad song before the battle, so ...

The Hound, yep, he's dead too -will probably save Arya as his final redemptive action.

Jorah Mormont - Pretty sure he's dead too.

I think they'll flip it - Missandei will be the one to die

pinkypinky

Rickon is surely still a candidate for zombifying?

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facehugger99 wrote: »

The Hound, yep, he's dead too -will probably save Arya as his final redemptive action.

Nah - the Hound has to finish out by killing his brother.

I noticed that they didnt give him or Beric much of an emotional moment in episode 2 - so I think they are both still wearing plot armour.

facehugger99

Pretty sure Grey Worm will die - once you mention going off somewhere after the battle with your beloved, you're dead.

Brienne - yep, she'll die, but she'll die a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

Pod - he dead. He sang a sad song before the battle, so ...

The Hound, yep, he's dead too -will probably save Arya as his final redemptive action.

Jorah Mormont - Pretty sure he's dead too.

PhiloCypher

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They're walking us through the little ninja's weapon plenty. And they walked us through the first big crossbow as well. I'm not going to assume that they're making a big crossbow since they haven't mentioned the dragon once apart from Bran.

So because they used a narrative device to build tension one time(the crossbow reveal) it follows that it should be used all the time does it. There's such a thing as going back to the well too soon you know.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Westeros is about to have a battle like no other in thousands and thousands of years.. A battle with the White Walkers south of the wall. And all we know is Breinne's hill is pretty good. So yeah, I'd like to be walked through the preparations for a couple of minutes. Could some information not be garnered from Tormund as to how the WWs attacked Last Hearth? Was there evidence he used the dragon at all? Did they make it over the walls? Did giants smash the walls? All potentially interesting conversation.

Was Tormund there during it? I assumed he arrived after like Edd. Look I'm sure the books will be full of the sort of munitae you want, but this is a visual medium they have to pick and choose what details to give and what to hold back. Personally I'm glad they haven't choreographed the whole battle plan ahead of time for us and that there may be some surprises ahead.

Will Arya be waiting in the gods wood to protect Bran and take out the NK with her spear. Will the NK turn up at all, or as others have theorised bypass Winterfell entirely in favour of Kingslanding. What traps do they have planned to thin out wight herd. Who will die. All of these questions are thankfully still up in the air because they chose not to show their whole hand.