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Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

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So less than 48 hours after the senseless shooting dead of journalist Lyra McKee in Derry during rioting, the dissident republican group Saoradh brazenly marched through Dublin city centre yesterday.

I consider this march to be a direct affront to democracy in this country and something sinister and very unwelcome.

An insult to Lyra McKee and her partner and family and a direct challenge to our State and society.

Should they even have been allowed march?

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FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Because they hit the journalist. You never condemned "the lads" when they hit the police, their intended target.

I have condemned this act already - whosoever was the target. Read the main thread.

SEPT 23 1989

Let them march but they must realise that they will be crushed into the ground by the majority who have had enough of that cr@p in this country

Beechwoodspark

I know it is an offence to impersonate a garda.

Maybe time to make it offence to impersonate a member of the defence forces.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You have my condemnation of this latest in a long line of acts, .

Because they hit the journalist. You never condemned "the lads" when they hit the police, their intended target.

NasserShammaz

El_Bee wrote: »

Do we not have antifa over here that would beat theses guys up?

Yea thats what we need more self righteous twats

NasserShammaz

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Rent a Crowd, mostly from NI I am guessing.

They would not march in Derry, so they come South for the craic, a few days after an awful murder of a young journalist.

Words fail me. But I agree, let them march and deny them the oxygen of publicity if they were banned.

Unfortunately no mostly dublin twats even had a couple of junkies marching with them sadly they were lovin it all dressed up in their army bargains gear bless, even got their ma's too sew on little ireland flags on their jumpers

AudreyHepburn

Those who marched and those who support them should be ashamed of themselves. The protest in itself may have appeared peaceful but the aim of and reasons behind it are anything but.

Saoradh, like the IRA and the UVF (or any other paramilitary outfit you care to name) are criminals and thugs, nothing more. It worries me that people are willing to turn a blind eye to the real meaning behind this and marches like it; intimidation.

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

That is exactly what you are doing.

Partition has been dealt with. It is an accepted fact all across this island that partition exists and that is the majority in the north wanted to change it, then it will be changed.

It’s people like you, making excuses like this, that gives the young thugs justification for their actions.

Can we immediately stop with the 'making excuses; nonsense. I have been saying this issue is still live and that there are those who will keep confronting it with violence since I joined this forum many moons ago.
You have my condemnation of this latest in a long line of acts, whatever good that will do.

Partition is why this is happening, and there is absolutely no way of getting away from that.

Brexit was bringing it to a head anyhow. This is a portent of where we are going, make no mistake about that. Something I have also been saying for quite a while now.

Spanish Eyes

Aegir wrote: »

That is exactly what you are doing.

Partition has been dealt with. It is an accepted fact all across this island that partition exists and that is the majority in the north wanted to change it, then it will be changed.

It’s people like you, making excuses like this, that gives the young thugs justification for their actions.

Very well put. Thank you.

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No.
The harsh reality here is as it has always been. There will be no peace in Ireland until we deal with partition.
.

Shame on you for encouraging the people who shot the journalist.

Spanish Eyes

Rent a Crowd, mostly from NI I am guessing.

They would not march in Derry, so they come South for the craic, a few days after an awful murder of a young journalist.

Words fail me. But I agree, let them march and deny them the oxygen of publicity if they were banned.

4ensic15

source wrote: »

While I don't agree with them and hate that the North is hurtling back towards its old ways. I believe fundamentally in Bunreacht na hÉireann, and it is clear that they have the right to match like they did even if any right minded person agrees that it is not only in poor taste, but downright dangerous to give them a platform.

"Bunreacht wrote:

6 1° the state guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality:

i. the right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.

the education public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the state shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the state.

the publication or utterance of seditious or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law.

ii. the right of the citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms.

Provision may be made by law to prevent or control meetings which are determined in accordance with law to be calculated to cause a breach of the peace or to be a danger or nuisance to the general public and to prevent or control meetings in the vicinity of either house of the oireachtas.

iii. The right of the citizens to form associations and unions. laws, however, may be enacted for the regulation and control in the public interest of the exercise of the foregoing right.

They were committing an offence under Section 264 of the Defence Act. Why weren't they arrested and taken away?

[Deleted User]

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If some of these marchers were 'martyred', see the reaction from Dubs then, eh?

You can't just go around creating "martyrs", you know!

Aside from that, given the amount of anger and condemnation about the march, from all over Ireland, don't you think you're being more than a tad presumptuous?

Stovepipe wrote: »

Within sight of the Border, being refused service by a mechanic when he heard my accent and saw the Southern plates on my car. I had to take the car up the road to another car mechanic, who was a Catholic. When I explained to him that the other guy had refused to sort me out, he laughed and said that the other guy musn't like money, given the sheer amount of Southern cars that passed that way. I've also had the "park it around the back" advice more than once. I was also refused service in a shop once, in a very Loyalist area, until I asked for directions to a well-known local's establishment and then they were suddenly helpful.....folks is strange ;-)

Agreed. I've experienced similar. The scars in N.I. still run deep, and some people are not willing to let go of hatred of people who've never done them any harm.

Sad, but true!

RobMc59 wrote: »

But more importantly will it change the minds of the gob****es who did it?

Probably not. They seem to be too thick to understand the damage they are doing.

RobMc59 wrote: »

You do support the GFA but I doubt very much the neanderthals who shot that poor girl give a hoot for the GFA-we all argue and bicker about border polls,banners and brexit but this is different-these people marching in paramilitary uniform so soon after the tragic killing in Derry is an insult to the memory of that poor girl and certainly isn't anyone else's fault.

Well, clearly, they don't support the GFA.

The question is, what do they think they are going to achieve? Because murdering or intimidating innocent people, by either side, will not result in either peace or a United Ireland.

So what are they trying to achieve?

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No.
The harsh reality here is as it has always been. There will be no peace in Ireland until we deal with partition.

And that is not to condone or excuse what happened. I fully support the GFA, which is the process that will deal with it one day.

That is exactly what you are doing.

Partition has been dealt with. It is an accepted fact all across this island that partition exists and that is the majority in the north wanted to change it, then it will be changed.

It’s people like you, making excuses like this, that gives the young thugs justification for their actions.

El_Bee

To the surprise of absolutely no one, the gun used in the shooting of that journalist was apparently sourced from dublin gangsters, amazing how "republican" groups are essentially organized crime gangs who dress themselves up in a "cause" has been such an elephant in the room for decades.

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No.
The harsh reality here is as it has always been. There will be no peace in Ireland until we deal with partition.

And that is not to condone or excuse what happened. I fully support the GFA, which is the process that will deal with it one day.

You do support the GFA but I doubt very much the neanderthals who shot that poor girl give a hoot for the GFA-we all argue and bicker about border polls,banners and brexit but this is different-these people marching in paramilitary uniform so soon after the tragic killing in Derry is an insult to the memory of that poor girl and certainly isn't anyone else's fault.

Mongfinder General

Richard Hillman wrote: »

These guys are of the same persuasion as ANTIFA.

It's Antifa who show fascist traits in my experience. Try engaging one of them. They don't listen. They're minds are already made up. Communication is the problem to the answer with these guys. They want to allow free speech but only if they agree or don't object to what is being said.

Hoboo

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I suppose the UVF have to hold a march now in Belfast?

Every year, July 12th.

Richard Hillman

El_Bee wrote: »

Do we not have antifa over here that would beat theses guys up?

These guys are of the same persuasion as ANTIFA.

suicide_circus

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There will be no peace in Ireland until we deal with partition.

ominous

Beechwoodspark

Unfortunately There will always be a small extreme hardcore on both sides of the conflict in NI.

It’s an ongoing job of work for the authorities to monitor them and prosecute when necessary.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

But more importantly will it change the minds of the gob****es who did it?

No.
The harsh reality here is as it has always been. There will be no peace in Ireland until we deal with partition.

And that is not to condone or excuse what happened. I fully support the GFA, which is the process that will deal with it one day.

El_Bee

Do we not have antifa over here that would beat theses guys up?

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can be sure the death of an Irish journalist in Ireland won't change any minds in Westminster nor the level of care.

But more importantly will it change the minds of the gob****es who did it?

FrancieBrady

Anteayer wrote: »

One of the single biggest problems is the DUP never signed up to the GFA and the idiots currently driving the the Tory Party, most of whom wouldn’t know how to find NI on a map, have put them into a power broking position and a confidence and supply arrangement.

All this dismissal of NI border issues by senior Tories is unbelievably dangerous.

From what I can see the DUP basically saw Brexit as an opportunity to undo the GFA and ensure there was less interference from the “south”.

While there's clearly a strong majority in Westminster in favour of the GFA and I think May takes it very seriously, there's been a vocal minority who have been ranting and raving about how it's obsolete and so on and when you add in the jingoism in the tabloids and utterly uninformed online discussions etc etc it really doesn't help.

Unfortunately, you've a heady mix of the same old .... stirrers and jingoistic nonsense and it's feeding into a rhetoric on the dissident republican side who have been looking for any excuse.

The Northern Ireland Assembly needs to be running right now and it's fairly clear that's not going to happen while the DUP feel they've huge power in London.

It May had any cop on she'd just deal with the LGBT rights issues, Irish language rights and abortion issue on a UK wide level, thus removing the excuses to keep blocking the assembly.

I don't think the Tories fully realise that they're using a hornets nest as a political football.

You can be sure the death of an Irish journalist in Ireland won't change any minds in Westminster nor the level of care.

ToddyDoody

I suppose the UVF have to hold a march now in Belfast?

Anteayer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was always going to be the case that it would take a tragedy like this to waken people up to what has been growing since the GFA.

Far too many people with the power and the responsibility to keep the process moving once again ignored the signs and the warning from those who knew what was happening.

The guys marching down O'Connell street are not the ones we should be worrying about, it is those on both sides who don't believe that the GFA is the answer.

And who can argue with them, when you see the state of the GFA now.

Varadkar and May need to take action and take it very soon. Sitting around condemning is not good enough.

One of the single biggest problems is the DUP never signed up to the GFA and the idiots currently driving the the Tory Party, most of whom wouldn’t know how to find NI on a map, have put them into a power broking position and a confidence and supply arrangement.

All this dismissal of NI border issues by senior Tories is unbelievably dangerous.

From what I can see the DUP basically saw Brexit as an opportunity to undo the GFA and ensure there was less interference from the “south”.

While there's clearly a strong majority in Westminster in favour of the GFA and I think May takes it very seriously, there's been a vocal minority who have been ranting and raving about how it's obsolete and so on and when you add in the jingoism in the tabloids and utterly uninformed online discussions etc etc it really doesn't help.

Unfortunately, you've a heady mix of the same old .... stirrers and jingoistic nonsense and it's feeding into a rhetoric on the dissident republican side who have been looking for any excuse.

The Northern Ireland Assembly needs to be running right now and it's fairly clear that's not going to happen while the DUP feel they've huge power in London.

It May had any cop on she'd just deal with the LGBT rights issues, Irish language rights and abortion issue on a UK wide level, thus removing the excuses to keep blocking the assembly.

I don't think the Tories fully realise that they're using a hornets nest as a political football.

tayto lover

I wonder how many members of this new organization hold down jobs and pay income tax? Would the fingers of one hand be enough?

[Deleted User]

Stovepipe wrote: »

Within sight of the Border, being refused service by a mechanic when he heard my accent and saw the Southern plates on my car. I had to take the car up the road to another car mechanic, who was a Catholic. When I explained to him that the other guy had refused to sort me out, he laughed and said that the other guy musn't like money, given the sheer amount of Southern cars that passed that way. I've also had the "park it around the back" advice more than once. I was also refused service in a shop once, in a very Loyalist area, until I asked for directions to a well-known local's establishment and then they were suddenly helpful.....folks is strange ;-)

You should try driving around the north with Dublin plates and an English accent.

Stovepipe

bilston wrote: »

What have you experienced in Northern Ireland?

Within sight of the Border, being refused service by a mechanic when he heard my accent and saw the Southern plates on my car. I had to take the car up the road to another car mechanic, who was a Catholic. When I explained to him that the other guy had refused to sort me out, he laughed and said that the other guy musn't like money, given the sheer amount of Southern cars that passed that way. I've also had the "park it around the back" advice more than once. I was also refused service in a shop once, in a very Loyalist area, until I asked for directions to a well-known local's establishment and then they were suddenly helpful.....folks is strange ;-)