AtomicHorror wrote: » Don't try the snowflake schtick. The emotions may be high here, but that's not carte blanche for you to dismiss whatever you like. Terrorists are fascists. Democracy can tolerate almost anything, but not fascism. Popper's Paradox and all that. In this case they've made a laughable show of themselves, but there's absolutely an argument for labelling them as anti-democratic and for preventing them from marching if the harm outweighs the benefit.
Richard Hillman wrote: » They are communists not fascists. People are falling over themselves to say "not real socialism". The are communists. Repeat, communists.
Pissartist wrote: » Why shouldn't they be allowed march it was peaceful, I've seen much more aggressive and abusive marchers at something like pride marches. They had nothing to do with Derry,in fact no one has come forward to claim responsibility, it was just a young thug in my opinion.
AtomicHorror wrote: » Everyone of of them should be identified and placed under surveillance. If someone tells you they're a terrorist, believe them.
rockatansky wrote: » Ah here lads, they're not communists, Facists or whatever else you're trying to label them as. Their rank and file members couldn't even begin to go start to explain any political idealogy, including their own. They have 2 aims, restart the war, do as much possible to Sinn Fein. While those at the top grow rich from drug dealing and ATM theft.
jimd2 wrote: » I suppose it would have taken some balls from a politician be it Leo or Charlie Flanagan but in the wake of the shooting Thursday night the permission for that crew to march should have been withdrawn in the interest of public order and pending the investigation into the shooting. I think permission for future marches should be withdrawn unless there is a completely stable non violent situation North and South. Also, if there is even a shred of evidence linking this group to the ATM thefts all privelages like this should be withdrawn.
Pissartist wrote: » Thinking of our Patriots,they were spat on by the majority of dubs before their death/sacrifice.Interesting that.
bilston wrote: » What have you experienced in Northern Ireland?
Stovepipe wrote: » Within sight of the Border, being refused service by a mechanic when he heard my accent and saw the Southern plates on my car. I had to take the car up the road to another car mechanic, who was a Catholic. When I explained to him that the other guy had refused to sort me out, he laughed and said that the other guy musn't like money, given the sheer amount of Southern cars that passed that way. I've also had the "park it around the back" advice more than once. I was also refused service in a shop once, in a very Loyalist area, until I asked for directions to a well-known local's establishment and then they were suddenly helpful.....folks is strange ;-)
FrancieBrady wrote: » It was always going to be the case that it would take a tragedy like this to waken people up to what has been growing since the GFA. Far too many people with the power and the responsibility to keep the process moving once again ignored the signs and the warning from those who knew what was happening. The guys marching down O'Connell street are not the ones we should be worrying about, it is those on both sides who don't believe that the GFA is the answer. And who can argue with them, when you see the state of the GFA now. Varadkar and May need to take action and take it very soon. Sitting around condemning is not good enough.
Anteayer wrote: » One of the single biggest problems is the DUP never signed up to the GFA and the idiots currently driving the the Tory Party, most of whom wouldn’t know how to find NI on a map, have put them into a power broking position and a confidence and supply arrangement. All this dismissal of NI border issues by senior Tories is unbelievably dangerous. From what I can see the DUP basically saw Brexit as an opportunity to undo the GFA and ensure there was less interference from the “south”. While there's clearly a strong majority in Westminster in favour of the GFA and I think May takes it very seriously, there's been a vocal minority who have been ranting and raving about how it's obsolete and so on and when you add in the jingoism in the tabloids and utterly uninformed online discussions etc etc it really doesn't help. Unfortunately, you've a heady mix of the same old .... stirrers and jingoistic nonsense and it's feeding into a rhetoric on the dissident republican side who have been looking for any excuse. The Northern Ireland Assembly needs to be running right now and it's fairly clear that's not going to happen while the DUP feel they've huge power in London. It May had any cop on she'd just deal with the LGBT rights issues, Irish language rights and abortion issue on a UK wide level, thus removing the excuses to keep blocking the assembly. I don't think the Tories fully realise that they're using a hornets nest as a political football.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You can be sure the death of an Irish journalist in Ireland won't change any minds in Westminster nor the level of care.
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