ELM327 wrote: » I can't see a reason to continue on PCP - ie say someone bought a dacia duster in 2016 on PCP and it's up for renewal. Why would they take a second PCP?
Shefwedfan wrote: » I don’t think the spec conversation is worth having, you could always get a decent spec car if you wanted
ELM327 wrote: » It's the same level of autonomy offered by power steering - ie none
Deleted User wrote: » You're not "Driving yourself" you are using hydraulic assist to turn the wheels
Toyotafanboi wrote: » ELM327 wrote: » I can't see a reason to continue on PCP - ie say someone bought a dacia duster in 2016 on PCP and it's up for renewal. Why would they take a second PCP? You'd be getting out of the car before the going potentially gets tough ownership wise and into another brand new car. You're continuing to be covered by roadside assistance, comprehensive manufacturers warranty, you know you'll likely never have to organise more than an oil change for it, you'll never have to visit an NCT test center and I suppose the car will always have an air of newness to it, which is nice. Some people hate the thought of having to organise a service, having to content with being told the car needs a new flux capacitor, worrying about breaking down etc etc. What could you PCP a new Sandero for with a low deposit? I've no idea but I'm guessing less than €200 per month. It's not a swanky car but even for someone on a low-ish income who isn't too "into cars", it's a new car, reliable, peace of mind and all that jazz. Why wouldn't you take a new one every three years if your payments don't increase? Shefwedfan wrote: » I don’t think the spec conversation is worth having, you could always get a decent spec car if you wanted You could always get a decent spec car for it's time. A lot of the stuff available as standard in today's cars simply wasn't available in cars a decade ago though on a like for like basis. I don't think it's possible to say you could buy a ten year old car with the same spec as a new car in a like for like fashion. Sure if you compare a new Micra to a 10 year old 7 series you could make that argument, but in like for like models, cars have improved substantially across the board. The thing I don't get with this thread, personally is the "older car" drivers seem to have some kind of distaste towards people driving newer cars, assuming they all have hidden agendas and feeling of grandeur and that in exchange for that feeling, they have rice crispies for dinner 7 nights a week and don't mind doing so, so they can look swanky in the work car park. When in reality most new car drivers just seem happy to spend that portion of their income on a newer car to enjoy the latest in tech, safety, design, reliability etc and don't really seem to have any opinion or care on what the rest of the motoring public is driving.
bob.k wrote: » What?? I think you need to re-read my comment. "Well in my opinon besides those in bold a lot of these things are taking the pleasure from driving and dumbing it down. I don't need any of that wizardy to be aware of my surroundings on the road and drive well."
realdanbreen wrote: » One holiday flight to Ibiza, Alicante wherever will throw more **** into the athmosphere than all the 00 cars in the country!
Shefwedfan wrote: » realdanbreen wrote: » One holiday flight to Ibiza, Alicante wherever will throw more **** into the athmosphere than all the 00 cars in the country! Incorrect Your flight to alicantecould have 200 people on it so the s**t per person is low. Stick 200 people in a car each and let them drive the same distance and you will have a lot more s**t as you put it.... Stick 200 people into old car which are 10 year old or more your even more incorrect..... Plenty of "good" cars should be scrapped for the simple fact the engine emmisions aretoo high. As I said in other European countries this has already started to happen. Not in Ireland yet but guess which is the worst country in Europe for greenhouse
realdanbreen wrote: » I take it that mathematics wasn't your preferred subject at school. A 737 would pump out more **** in one flight than 200 cars would in a year.
Shefwedfan wrote: » realdanbreen wrote: » I take it that mathematics wasn't your preferred subject at school. A 737 would pump out more **** in one flight than 200 cars would in a year. Taken from a website: A Boeing 747 uses 7840kg of aviation fuel for the take-off, climb and descent portions of the flight and these account for about 250km. For journeys longer than that, the plane will use 10.1kg for each additional kilometre under typical cruising conditions. So to fly from Heathrow to Edinburgh (530km) uses 10,668kg of fuel, which releases a little over 33 tonnes of CO2. Whereas a Ford Mondeo 1.8 TDCi emits 151g of CO2 per km and covers 650km to reach Edinburgh. That works out to be 98kg for a single passenger, compared to 79kg per person for the Jumbo, assuming it carries its full complement of 416 passengers. My maths was ok
realdanbreen wrote: » So a mondeo going from London to Edinburgh would release more than 33 tons of Co2?
Shefwedfan wrote: » realdanbreen wrote: » So a mondeo going from London to Edinburgh would release more than 33 tons of Co2? You just made my day.....:p:p:p:p:p:p I haven't had a good laugh in ages! Thanks P.S. If I was you I would remove the comment about my maths...
realdanbreen wrote: » I know it's gas, according to his figures you would need to drive the old mondeo from London to Edinburgh, 530 km ! , every day for a year to equal the emmisions from one trip on the same journey in a jumbo jet and he thinks that's an argument for scrapping the mondeo!
MontgomeryClift wrote: » I've enjoyed reading the different views here, and I think I've figured out a few things. In spite of several pay increases I don't earn enough to get a car for €10,000 - €15,000. If I look at cars like that and think "How can I afford that?", it's a good indication that I can't, no matter what method I use to pay for it. So I need a new job. I could pay for PCP, but after that and all the other bills are accounted for I wouldn't have much left for unforeseen expenses. The alternative then is to spend no more than €5,000, which still seems like a lot, and that would get me something like a ten year old Accord 2.2 iDTEC with 150,000 miles. Now that's a good car by all accounts, and it has the features I want, but how long will it go doing 20,000 miles a year before it needs big things done to it, costing big money? I'd like a facelifted one with less than 100,000 miles, so that I wouldn't have to bother about buying a car for about six years, but then we're back in €10,000-€15,000 territory. Bangernomics? I tried that, and it would make sense if we didn't have to deal with insurance companies. The solution I think is to stop looking at cars and start looking at jobs.
mloc123 wrote: » realdanbreen wrote: » One holiday flight to Ibiza, Alicante wherever will throw more **** into the athmosphere than all the 00 cars in the country! So some simple maths... Ford Mondeo 1.8 TDCi emits 151g of CO2 per km, lets say an average a diesel car covers 20,000km a year (this is low IMO). So each car puts out 3000kg of co2 a year. A flight to Alicante is a 3hr flight (probably less in the air), which is 9800kg of fuel and produces 30,870kg of co2.. lets double that for the return flight also. A holiday to Alicante produces 61,740kg of co2. So a little under 21 cars worth is the same as a holiday flight to Alicante. Are there really only 21 '00' reg cars on the road in the country?
realdanbreen wrote: » Who's going to alicante? He's flying the Jumbo from London to Edinburgh !
Deleted User wrote: » Bitcoin at the height (so yeah "crazy talk")
Toyotafanboi wrote: » To be fair Bob, those Insignias are scrap. As you say, prone to losing oil pressure with no forewarning writing off the engine, catching fire, chocolate gearboxes, absolute rubbish. There's a reason it's the same price as a Passat 4 years older than it with double the mileage. Passat CC isn't much better, a much nicer yoke to be in than an Insignia and not as prone to "thermal incidents", the one in your link is a good looking vehicle but has a fine appetite for EGR coolers, injectors, ABS sensors, wheel bearings, slip rings and so forth. I wouldn't wish an Insignia on my worst enemy, but you'll easily spend the guts of €750 - 1k a year to properly maintain a CC like that one unless you do everything DIY, which, you wont.
cpoh1 wrote: » Not getting the CC comments myself, these are identical in everyway to other vag, be in superb, normal passat etc.why would the CC eat injectors sensore and bearings any more than these? Just to add i have a 120k miles CC with a DSG and it has been flawless.
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