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looks like English,Irish,Math and Wellbeing will be only core JC subjects/programmes

judeboy101

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0417/1043281-history-junior-cycle/

Draft review of history doesn't give it back its core status. It joins geography in and the other optional subjects.

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sk8erboii

beejee wrote: »

I know a couple of teachers and its fascinating to hear the millions of compulsory changes. Ive yet to hear of one single change that sounds sensible, and the same for the teachers!

Just imagine what its going to be like as a retired person in years to come, having to witness the ineptitude of these ill-educated, social-media zombies trying to run our country. Its bad enough already, Jesus Christ!

Lol

You got a chip on your shoulder old man?

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

seamus

bluewolf wrote: »

I think learning to learn is an important skill but i think history should still be compulsory.

I disagree. History is an academic pursuit. The kind of thing you go to college to study.

I think the history of individual subjects is important - so maths should include a brief discussion of the history of maths, physics should talk about Newton and Kepler, Biology talk about Crick, CSPE talk about DeValera and Hitler, etc.

But as a standalone topic, history is no more necessary than art or music. A wholly fulfilling pursuit for those interested in it, but not something any needs to study in order to go into the wider world.

LordBasil

judeboy101 wrote: »

In an era of STEM having science as optional is insane

Where did I say Science was to be made optional?

I said it should be restructured to encourage help more students to pass a LCScience subject.

Wibbs

Grayson wrote: »

Incidentally, i was in babylon as a kid.

Jaysus G you're old.

Wibbs

sk8erboii wrote: »

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

and thank fuck you're not representative of yours.

whisky_galore

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol

You got a chip on your shoulder old man?

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

Shut up you doughnut.

sk8erboii

Wibbs wrote: »

and thank fuck you're not representative of yours.

I actually am. I do STEM, im smart and have a job.

Its actually pretty telling when a shining example of my generation is lambasted online by bitter old men. My generation will never get the respect we deserve but atleast when we write the history books, your generation will get the disgrace it deserves.

sk8erboii

whisky_galore wrote: »

Shut up you doughnut.

‘Bitter old men’

[Deleted User]

Jaysis lads

Sardonicat

Feisar wrote: »

Hoboo wrote: »

Learning to learn a waste of time? I strongly disagree, learning is a skill in itself. And without knowing how to learn, every subject is pointless.

Ah I know different methods with have varying degrees of success with different people however yer post suggests the rest of us didn't learn anything without this "learning to learn" stuff. More important under the current system would be learning to sit exams.

The traditional three R's are still key in my opinion,however in school it's read, write, regurgitate. We cry about the loss of critical thinking in school leavers however it isn't a requirement to get through exams successfully.

But it is a requirement to get through life successfully. How about changing the vastly over rated LC ?

jimgoose

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol

You got a chip on your shoulder old man?

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

After your "wellbeing" classes, I hope you can outrun a turbonitrous Fireblade piloted by a crazed, mohawk-wearing 87-year-old who needs your plump, juicy liver. See you on the road, scag! :cool::cool::D

[Deleted User]

seamus wrote: »

I disagree. History is an academic pursuit. The kind of thing you go to college to study.

I think the history of individual subjects is important - so maths should include a brief discussion of the history of maths, physics should talk about Newton and Kepler, Biology talk about Crick, CSPE talk about DeValera and Hitler, etc.

But as a standalone topic, history is no more necessary than art or music. A wholly fulfilling pursuit for those interested in it, but not something any needs to study in order to go into the wider world.

As an indepth study sure yeah, but i think it's very important to know the basic facts of how we got to where we are and how we know them. I remember we covered stuff like first hand and second hand sources which is something as important as ever with "fake news" everywhere. I think it's important to know the last couple centuries of basic timelines before going out into the world. You're just not going to learn it anywhere else casually. And it helps to know about any big mistakes in the past to help us try to avoid them in future.

Wibbs

sk8erboii wrote: »

im smart

A declaration that is a near gold standard litmus test the declarer isn't as smart as they think they are.

a shining example of my generation

You actually typed that? :pac::pac::pac::pac:

Wibbs

bluewolf wrote: »

As an indepth study sure yeah, but i think it's very important to know the basic facts of how we got to where we are and how we know them. I remember we covered stuff like first hand and second hand sources which is something as important as ever with "fake news" everywhere. I think it's important to know the last couple centuries of basic timelines before going out into the world. You're just not going to learn it anywhere else casually. And it helps to know about any big mistakes in the past to help us try to avoid them in future.

+ a bazillion. Even with history having being a mainstay of the curriculum for so long too many don't know some of the basic stuff. With it gone as a main subject...

jimgoose

bluewolf wrote: »

As an indepth study sure yeah, but i think it's very important to know the basic facts of how we got to where we are and how we know them. I remember we covered stuff like first hand and second hand sources which is something as important as ever with "fake news" everywhere. I think it's important to know the last couple centuries of basic timelines before going out into the world. You're just not going to learn it anywhere else casually. And it helps to know about any big mistakes in the past to help us try to avoid them in future.

I couldn't agree more. By all means get into history as deeply and as specialised as you wish in third-level and subsequent, but the overview provided hitherto in primary and secondary of who we are and why, helps youngsters understand their place among the 4m-odd alcoholics clinging to a rock, and also some understanding of other peoples.

sk8erboii

Wibbs wrote: »

A declaration that is a near gold standard litmus test the declarer isn't as smart as they think they are.

You actually typed that? :pac::pac::pac::pac:

You know the Dunning-Kruger effect was done on autodidacts?

Specifically people without formal education claiming to be smarter than whose have it?

Its a university circle jerk and i find it funny when crusty old men reference it, not knowing they’re the target.

But i guess ill cry over It when i reach my 30s in 10 years time.

It really feels good to be young

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Are you still able to drop science after first year? I was gobsmacked when one of my college friends told me she dropped science after first year in school. I had assumed at that point that science was a mandatory JC subject, mainly because most schools seem to have decided to make it mandatory to JC.

jimgoose

sk8erboii wrote: »

You know the Dunning-Kruger effect was done on autodidacts?

Specifically people without formal education claiming to be smarter than whose have it?

Its a university circle jerk and i find it funny when crusty old men reference it, not knowing they’re the target.

But i guess ill cry over I reach my 30s in 10 years time.

It really feels good to be young

It was originally done on a bank robber who was so thick he reckoned covering his face with lemon juice would confuse CCTV. It was since repeated on incompetent undergraduates.

ohnonotgmail

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Are you still able to drop science after first year? I was gobsmacked when one of my college friends told me she dropped science after first year in school. I had assumed at that point that science was a mandatory JC subject, mainly because most schools seem to have decided to make it mandatory to JC.

Science is not compulsory at all according to the department of education. Schools might have their own requirements though that make it compulsory for their students.

quintana76

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Just following the global trend of dismantling the humanities subjects. No one will be able to question or think critically in the future.

Tis the desired result behind the above policy. Beginning to work already.

Richard Hillman

Socialists are trying to push history out how the kids never find out how many people they murdered.

Franz Von Peppercorn

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol

You got a chip on your shoulder old man?

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

You’re one strange kid. Very odd.

Not a great product of the existing system.

Franz Von Peppercorn

sk8erboii wrote: »

I actually am. I do STEM, im smart and have a job.

You told us a while back you were a history graduate. In any case your intellect as displayed here is fairly weak. Mostly age based ad hominems. I also don’t think that going to university these days is the big deal you think it is.

Its actually pretty telling when a shining example of my generation is lambasted online by bitter old men. My generation will never get the respect we deserve but atleast when we write the history books, your generation will get the disgrace it deserves.

The generation that brought liberalism to Ireland? Do you think that 23 year olds changed Ireland? Hint - you haven’t had enough time.

D.Q

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I feel like there needs to be a Godwin equivalent for mentioning islam in a thread.

Allahwin?

Franz Von Peppercorn

sk8erboii wrote: »

You know the Dunning-Kruger effect was done on autodidacts?

It wasn’t.

Specifically people without formal education claiming to be smarter than whose have it?

Not that either. Btw most people on this thread have formal education, many to masters level and above. You seem inordinately proud of something that is common in Ireland.

But i guess ill cry over It when i reach my 30s in 10 years time.

It really feels good to be young

You probably need to revise that statistic unless today is your 20th birthday.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Science is not compulsory at all according to the department of education. Schools might have their own requirements though that make it compulsory for their students.

I think pretty much every school does make it a core JC subject. My friend went to a small girls’ school.

sk8erboii wrote: »

I actually am. I do STEM, im smart and have a job.

Its actually pretty telling when a shining example of my generation is lambasted online by bitter old men. My generation will never get the respect we deserve but atleast when we write the history books, your generation will get the disgrace it deserves.

I have a STEM degree. They’re not that hard to achieve and most STEM degree holders don’t self-fellate over having one. Mainly because we know that they are not that hard to achieve. 5% inspiration, 95% perspiration, like any degree.

jmayo

judeboy101 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0417/1043281-history-junior-cycle/

Draft review of history doesn't give it back its core status. It joins geography in and the other optional subjects.

Wellbeing my ar**.
We are fooked as a society, nation.

seamus wrote: »

I don't know. I'm not that pushed about history tbh.

I would rather there was a civics and ethics course, and within that you can include history modules as necessary.

Having kids learn the date of the battle of the boyne or do projects on the reformation doesn't give them any useful practical knowledge.

You are not that pushed about geography either.

Learning about Battle of Boyne gives some context to Northern Ireland and the Reformation gives context to hundreds of years of history throughout the world where various christian branches were at war with each other.

sk8erboii wrote: »

Lol

You got a chip on your shoulder old man?

Thank f*ck your generation is going to die out soon.

Ah yes, is this the person that is doing a three year engineering degree ?
BTW you are trying too hard to be edgy.;)

God be with the days of acts like Aonghus von B or Permabear telling us about his 20 year old girlfriend and the benefits of privatised education.

seamus

bluewolf wrote: »

As an indepth study sure yeah, but i think it's very important to know the basic facts of how we got to where we are and how we know them.

You see, I'm struggling to think of anything which couldn't/shouldn't be covered as part of another subject.

So CSPE will cover social history topics like world wars and civil rights movements.

Science will cover a wide range of stuff from major leaps in physics, to anthropology, to biology.

I remember we covered stuff like first hand and second hand sources which is something as important as ever with "fake news" everywhere.

See, I don't remember doing anything like that. That's information science. Junior Cert history as far as I recall it involved some prehistory stuff about Neanderthals and the Celts. Then a considerable amount about Europe between the 1200s and 1800s. A brief overview of the American Civil war. Absolutely nothing about WW1 and terrifyingly little about WW2. And nothing about modern history, Irish or otherwise.

I remember almost nothing that I learned in JC history, but I remember plenty of the history that I learned in other subjects.

And it can't be said that I wasn't listening, because I got a B in it.

So this is why I feel that JC history adds very little as a core subject. But perhaps the curriculum has been improved in 20 years.

jmayo

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think pretty much every school does make it a core JC subject. My friend went to a small girls school.

They must have had a cr** basketball team

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I have a STEM degree. They’re not that hard to achieve and most STEM degree holders don’t self-fellate over having one. Mainly because we know that they are not that hard to achieve. 5% inspiration, 95% perspiration, like any degree.

Depends on what is the course.
Certain Engineering degrees can be tough enough, although you are right about there is a lot of perspiration and much longer days.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

jmayo wrote: »

They must have had a cr** basketball team

Depends on what is the course.
Certain Engineering degrees can be tough enough, although you are right about there is a lot of perspiration and much longer days.

The toughness is just generally down to the hours you’ve to put in rather than the difficulty. Primary teaching in Pat’s is as full on, hours-wise.