bob.k wrote: » Not at all, im delighted my car. I have her well kept and actually get great pleasure in driving an older car thats not costing me 150-200 in weekly payments. Was in a garage forecourt recently and a chap parked in a Mr Whippie van was gesturing at me with thumbs up etc. I wasnt sure what he getting at so I went over and asked is everything ok? He says...yeah man just admiring your car...she's a minter for the year fair play to you...sound man! I don't begrudge anybody in a new car, just not my cup of tea dropping that much wedge and financing new cars when I could think of better things to spend or invest that much money on! Each to their own though.
bob.k wrote: » No but its a fact that Ireland has an obsession with new car ownership in relation to our to EU neighbours...I think the stats were shared here on boards somewhere! And yeah I personally know somebody on not much more that min wage driving a new car on PCP.
PsychoPete wrote: » If you have an older car your getting fleeced with road tax and more than likely high insurance cost if they'll even insure it. People see new cars as cheap to owe
Kevin Irving wrote: » Just don't crash it. Safety systems in new cars have come on leaps and bounds since then. Kevin, believe me when I say that if I had the misfortune to be involved in an accident, I would much prefer to be in a 2003 Audi A6, than a lot of the newer cars out there,, and I mean 1, 2, and 3 year old cars. When Audi produced the ( at the time ) all new from the ground up A6, it was state of the art, at all levels,,, Safety, Technology, design etc. In many respects, it was ahead of its time, as it needed to be to challenge the Mercedes, BMW. etc. it was designed to do. So R&D is changing the cars we drive, to such an extent that in the not-so-distant future, we will not be driving them at all... they will drive themselves. You are right about the tax and insurance rip -off's here in Ireland, none the less, my 3 years ownership of the A6 cost me € 5628....and that included purchase, Tax and Insurance. It did the same job that a brand new €30-40'000 car would have done,,,and without having to worry about car park trolley damage either...;)
bazz26 wrote: » Jesus, there is some amount of begrudgery in this thread.
Nonoperational wrote: » Welcome to the boards motors forum. If you're not driving a 4 year old "spec'd up" Korean motor you're an idiot.
MontgomeryClift wrote: » Since my pay has increased nearly 50% over the last couple of years I thought I would buy a car that's not a thirsty, gutless and uncomfortable. I thought it would be nice to get something that had a bit of power, didn't cripple me on long journeys, and could play a podcast from USB without having wires all over the cabin leading into a homemade aux port in the glovebox. But if I get something that meets those requirements, isn't ten years old, and doesn't have over 100,000 miles on it, I'd need about €15,000. How does anyone save that kind of money every few years working in a regular job? Do most people spread it out using finance? Even if I got finance, I would have to pay nearly €100 a week and over €2,000 in interest, and that's more than my pay can stand. This is a serious inquiry. How does this work for most people? How do they lay their hands on new or new-ish cars? Are they all selling drugs on the side?
ednwireland wrote: » bank still owns the house until the last payment its not yours despite what people think.
Shefwedfan wrote: » So you have a problem now with people who have the ability to budget correctly? It’s simple, PCP etc is all signed off with Finance requirement, you can’t afford it you don’t get it. Seems like your just jealous this person bought a new car Minimum wage is nearly 10 an hour, 40 hour week is 400 or 1200 a month. PCP could be 300 quid, less than a weeks wages and they could have no overheads..... As I said already, drive your old car around, I doubt anyone cares....except you.I might buy a new car, I might not.I certainly don’t care what you or anyone else thinks.
Donald Trump wrote: » 100k? Maybe if you invest that 30k in importing/making and selling crack and don't get caught or killed. Or maybe you got a spam email offering to give you 100k in 5 years if you "invested" 30k now? Other than that................ crazy talk.
OSI wrote: » Well that's entirely false. You can buy a new Golf for half that that will park itself. Cruise control has come on leaps and bounds since yours was developed, you can join a motorway now enable the CC and not have to touch a pedal again as the radar will slow the car down and even stop it to maintain distance to traffic in front.Blind spot monitoring will alert you to cars in your vicinity that you might not see in your mirrors. Auto hold and parking brake mean you can drive a car for years without having to touch the handbrake once. Lane assist on some models will even enable you to drive handsfree for a period of time and keep you safely within the confines of your lane, even around bends and in traffic. Electrochromatic rearview mirrors will autodim to reduce the glare from headlights behind you without you having to flick that stupid toggle thing back and forward. Modern LED headlights will shape the beam of light to suit the conditions and traffic meaning there's no dimming of high beams, and they will bend to follow the curve of the road to provide better illumination. Some infotainment systems will tie fuel levels into the sat nav and provide you with a list of local petrol stations and their prices when you need a refill and present directions and maps on the dashboard with one tap. Tyre pressure monitoring systems can tell you the exact pressure of each tyre and make suggestions as to the preferred pressure based on the load in the vehicle.We have safety systems now that can pre-empt a crash and either pre-load the brakes to reduce the reaction time or even brake themselves as a last ditch effort to stop you rear-ending someone. They'll even pre-tension seatbelts. You can walk up to a modern car with your keys in your pocket, and unlock the door sit in and start the car without ever touching them. Some will even open the boot if you don't mind looking like an eegit wagging your foot around.
OSI wrote: » Well that's entirely false. You can buy a new Golf for half that that will park itself. Cruise control has come on leaps and bounds since yours was developed, you can join a motorway now enable the CC and not have to touch a pedal again as the radar will slow the car down and even stop it to maintain distance to traffic in front. Blind spot monitoring will alert you to cars in your vicinity that you might not see in your mirrors. Auto hold and parking brake mean you can drive a car for years without having to touch the handbrake once. Lane assist on some models will even enable you to drive handsfree for a period of time and keep you safely within the confines of your lane, even around bends and in traffic. Electrochromatic rearview mirrors will autodim to reduce the glare from headlights behind you without you having to flick that stupid toggle thing back and forward. Modern LED headlights will shape the beam of light to suit the conditions and traffic meaning there's no dimming of high beams, and they will bend to follow the curve of the road to provide better illumination. Some infotainment systems will tie fuel levels into the sat nav and provide you with a list of local petrol stations and their prices when you need a refill and present directions and maps on the dashboard with one tap. Tyre pressure monitoring systems can tell you the exact pressure of each tyre and make suggestions as to the preferred pressure based on the load in the vehicle. We have safety systems now that can pre-empt a crash and either pre-load the brakes to reduce the reaction time or even brake themselves as a last ditch effort to stop you rear-ending someone. They'll even pre-tension seatbelts. You can walk up to a modern car with your keys in your pocket, and unlock the door sit in and start the car without ever touching them. Some will even open the boot if you don't mind looking like an eegit wagging your foot around.
bob.k wrote: » Well in my opinon besides those in bold a lot of these things are taking the pleasure from driving and dumbing it down. I don't need any of that wizardy to be aware of my surroundings on the road and drive well.
bob.k wrote: » No I am absolutely not jealous ffs...I say well wear. I can have a new car in the morning but my own costs me nothing and serves its function very well of getting me from A to B in comfort. Its not a question of affordability. I have 40k worth of motorcycles in the garage as my hobby is motorcycling and racing. My gripe is the the way the country's policy now is oriented towards new car ownership which is unnecessary. There are fantastic older vehicles that can be had for decent money without the need to be signing into PCP contracts.
Shefwedfan wrote: » As I said already, drive your old car around, I doubt anyone cares....except you.I might buy a new car, I might not.I certainly don’t care what you or anyone else thinks.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Shur go back to drum brakes, no power steering, and no seat belts there so :rolleyes:
Twenty Grand wrote: » That's not the point he's making at all. You can buy a 10 year old BMW for 4k that has many of those features. Cruise control Auto headlights Auto wipers Dimming mirrors Electric Leather seats Parking sensors front and back RV Camera Bluetooth etc etc. I'd admit that most new features are gimmicks. Lane assist has never worked on any car I've driven, unless you want to be pinged around the road Adaptive cruise is useful, but youd need to keep an eye on it. Electric handbrake is meh IMO. Also I'd like to see a 25k golf with all those features.
Shefwedfan wrote: » I don’t think the spec conversation is worth having, you could always get a decent spec car if you wanted The big issue with older cars is what comes out of the tail pipe, a lot of these older cars are a lot dirther than newer engine cars, petrol and diesel included. For health reason alone it should be a reason some of them are taken off the road.....
Kevin Irving wrote: » You're actually saying that Blind Spot Monitoring and the car priming the brakes/seatbelts when the radar detects a potential collision take the pleasure from driving?! If you had said electric cars take and lumpy 3 cylinder diesels take the pleasure from driving, you might have a point. But all you've done is show that you have no idea how newer safety systems operate daily. Blind Spot Monitoring is a great aid in dark or poor weather where you might not necessarily spot the cyclist with no lights sitting just off the rear bumper in slow traffic. The likes of Mercedes Pre-Safe is a last ditch attempt to prevent you or someone else being killed in a crash that you never saw coming. It has almost zero influence on your daily driving unless you have to slam on the brakes and you feel the seat belt tension.
OSI wrote: » E60 had lane departure warning. Show me an E60 that will come up to a bend and steer itself around it without any input from the driver, or actively keep you positioned in the middle of a lane. Making the wheel shake is a far cry from semi-autonomous driving.
ELM327 wrote: » I prefer to drive myself thanks, but there are plenty of cars out there within the last few years that have varying levels of lane keep assist (active, or passive).
Deleted User wrote: » So you turn off power steering?
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