jm08 wrote: » Who has got to suck up what?
Farawayhome wrote: » Why can't violence be used?
RobMc59 wrote: » What do you mean?
downcow wrote: » You like things to be black and white and simplistic. What is the criteria you use to decide if an organisation is sectarian?
downcow wrote: » Francie instead of having a go at me for not answering questions. Why don’t you just answer the question
FrancieBrady wrote: » Anyone can see the answer, the criteria is met in their constitution. It's kinda obvious.
downcow wrote: » What about answering the question. This is not a OO specific question
Farawayhome wrote: » Why should anyone just suck it up? Can't they use violent methods to make change?
RobMc59 wrote: » Do you think that would be be a good tactic to persuade the people of NI to want to participate in a Border referendum?
Farawayhome wrote: » What's it to you? What you got against it?
RobMc59 wrote: » Are you for real?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Do they engage in bigoted actions against people because they are a different religion. Fairly simple. And no, having rules that you must be a certain religion is not sectarianism.
downcow wrote: » Your two statements above seem in slight contradiction but I’ll give that a by ball Would it be sectarian if you had an event in a gaa club where the crowd chanted oh ah up the ra. Or a pub where they sang simply the best in reference to the uda. ?? Just trying to get a handle on it as these may not fit strictly into your criteria of religion I genuinely think this is an important discussion. And I appreciate your willingness to engage
downcow wrote: » Francie you are ducking again. This thread is not just about the OO Have a crack at the question
FrancieBrady wrote: » What? Don't you know what sectarianism is?
downcow wrote: » http://bfy.tw/NDZn Why do you refuse to answer this very simple question “Would it be sectarian if you had an event in a gaa club where the crowd chanted oh ah up the ra. Or a pub where they sang simply the best in reference to the uda. ??”
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm refusing to play your deflection game. Is the OO constitutionally sectarian? Yes it is. Is it and has it been guilty of sectarianism in practice. Yes it has. Have any steps been taken to change the ethos of this organisation. None whatsoever. No amount of finger pointing is going to excuse that.
downcow wrote: » Agree with your first two points. Disagree completely with your third point. I answer every question I am asked while you get away with answer very few and when you do it’s also a riddle. I have repeatedly asked you one simple question and for some reason you refuse to answer it. So I’ll not be answering any more of your questions until you do. Here’s the question in case you have forgot Would it be sectarian if you had an event in a gaa club where the crowd chanted ooh ah up the ra. Or a pub where they sang simply the best in reference to the uda. ??
Incidents of sectarianism elsewhere do not excuse an organisation.....
RobMc59 wrote: » If you don't like the fact no one is clamouring for a border referendum in NI those who want one have to accept that until such times NI may want one.
Non-sectarians espouse that free association and tolerance of different beliefs are the cornerstone to successful peaceful human interaction. They espouse political and religious pluralism.
Pluralism as a political philosophy is the recognition and affirmation of diversity within a political body, which permits the peaceful coexistence of different interests, convictions, and lifestyles.
jm08 wrote: » Its probably easier to define by describing what the opposite to sectariamism is: Now a definition of Pluralism:
jm08 wrote: » I'm not clamouring for a border referendum and I'm in no hurry for a UI. I do think that since everything else has failed (Stormont Gov., Direct Rule, and Stormont Assembly), its probably the only solution to NI. I'd support joint rule between British and Irish Gov. until that comes about.
downcow wrote: » sf can’t pull it down when they are not getting their way.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Reproductive Rights Scotland ✓ Wales ✓ England ✓ Norn Iron ✗ -- Blocked by Unionists.Minority Language Legislation Scotland ✓ Wales ✓ Norn Iron ✗ -- Blocked by Unionists.Marriage Equality Legislation Scotland ✓ Wales ✓ England ✓ Norn Iron ✗ -- Blocked by Unionists. Unionists: 'It's SF's fault'.
downcow wrote: » So basically screw democracy. Of course this would also require the gfa to be ripped up. It’s a bit drastic. Why not review the assembly so as sf can’t pull it down when they are not getting their way. Maybe model it on the Dail, Scottish assembly, or Westminster. That would be radical wouldn’t it.
