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I Don't Get the Sean Cox Thing

CarlosHarpic

I feel genuinely sorry for the man and his family and i wish them the best. But there are victims and families destroyed by violent crime every day and they are forgotten because it wasn't connected to the world of British soccer.

If you get random attacked and suffer severe injuries pray that it's outside a British soccer ground because otherwise you're on your own and no will give a ****.

Again, no disrespect to Mr Cox and his family, I just find people's attitude to this rather strange. I wish him a full recovery. What was done to him was disgusting but it goes on all the time in society.

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EmmetSpiceland

Ah, lads, come off it. This was a champions league semi final, something only the best teams in Europe make it to. Roma had put out Barcelona and Liverpool beat Manchester City.

Of course you wouldn’t get the same scale of donations of it happened before some Micky Mouse local game in a small domestic league, you just wouldn’t have the numbers. And considering what goes on between fans at that level I’m actually surprised there hasn’t been more stories like this one.

I think it’s great to see a team, and country, rally behind an injured supporter and I hope his recovery continues with the money raised to so far and in future.

CarlosHarpic

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't think that is the what the OP is saying and you are twisting things.

It's possible to have fully sympathy and support Sean Cox , which any right-thinking person should have and to also ask why in society certain cases get pushed hard while others are forgotten about.

Sean Cox isn't a unique case but (thankfully for him) he has much more support than others in the same situation.
I don't begrudge him that and I hope he recovers but we can and should be able to ask questions too. It's not obscene to ask these questions.

Odd that you and others would think this as if we must all stay on script.

Thanks. By the reaction of most on this thread you would think i was attacking the man.

These Liveline weponised sanctimonious types who completely twisted my statement around are the same types who think the McCanns are inspirational parents because they saw a photo of the child in an Everton jersey and they can 'relate' to that.

Remember how the Irish went into a frenzy over the poor girls in Soham murdered about 15 years ago? The ONLY reason the Holly and Jessica story was huge in this country was because of the photo of the girls wearing Man United jerseys. Again the masses' relate' rather than have genuine compassion.

No human tragedy is more important than another. But absolutely platitudes are on a sliding scale.

Guy:Incognito

CarlosHarpic wrote: »

Thanks. By the reaction of most on this thread you would think i was attacking the man.

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Youve completely ignored the counter points though.

There are the same type of events up and down the country constantly. Just on a smaller scale.

CarlosHarpic

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Youve completely ignored the counter points though.

There are the same type of events up and down the country constantly. Just on a smaller scale.

I haven't ignored them because i generally agree with them. I never said anything against the events or fund raising. It's wonderful. But it only happened because of where it happened.

Most 'care' because its pop cultural and not due to compassion.

Again the person who brought up Maddy McCann made a valid point. It's media hype that controls the masses 'empathy' .

Guy:Incognito

CarlosHarpic wrote: »

I haven't ignored them because i generally agree with them. I never said anything against the events or fund raising. It's wonderful. But it only happened because of where it happened.
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What? If it only happened because of where the assault happened, why are there the same type of events all the time around the country ?

JJJJNR

Here's Sean's go fund me page, has got past 1 million but I'd say with the treatment ending for him in Ireland that won't last very long, they still need help.

https://ie.gofundme.com/SupportSeanCox

Church on Tuesday

CarlosHarpic wrote: »

Thanks. By the reaction of most on this thread you would think i was attacking the man.

These Liveline weponised sanctimonious types who completely twisted my statement around are the same types who think the McCanns are inspirational parents because they saw a photo of the child in an Everton jersey and they can 'relate' to that.

Remember how the Irish went into a frenzy over the poor girls in Soham murdered about 15 years ago? The ONLY reason the Holly and Jessica story was huge in this country was because of the photo of the girls wearing Man United jerseys. Again the masses' relate' rather than have genuine compassion.

No human tragedy is more important than another. But absolutely platitudes are on a sliding scale.

Absolute and total nonsense.

firemansam4

CarlosHarpic wrote:

I haven't ignored them because i generally agree with them. I never said anything against the events or fund raising. It's wonderful. But it only happened because of where it happened.
Most 'care' because its pop cultural and not due to compassion.
Again the person who brought up Maddy McCann made a valid point. It's media hype that controls the masses 'empathy' .

This is nothing like the Maddie McCann case.
Sorry but you are spouting rubbish if you think most care because its pop cultural.
A lot of people relate to this man because they are fellow fans and could imagine it could of easily happened to one of us attending a match.
Of course there are many other tragic cases that don't get the same attention, but that hardly means people can't show empathy and want to show support for a fellow fan or country man in this case.

I get the point you are trying to make but to be honest your last post seems to be coming across as you being more bitter when you say that most people don't care out of any compassion.

expectationlost

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

No. How can they?

If people want to beat up opposing fans you cant blame the club on its own.

they could not play Roma until they really crack down on their violent supporters.

Edgware

expectationlost wrote: »

they could not play Roma until they really crack down on their violent supporters.

Every club has a certain amount of thugs following them. That is why millions are spent every year on security. However the vast majority ofsupporters are decent people and sympathise with Seans situation knowing that it could have happened anyone attending a game. In Liverpools case of course more emphasis is put on Hillsborough than on Heyssel for certain reasons.

marvin80

CarlosHarpic wrote: »

I feel genuinely sorry for the man and his family and i wish them the best. But there are victims and families destroyed by violent crime every day and they are forgotten because it wasn't connected to the world of British soccer.

If you get random attacked and suffer severe injuries pray that it's outside a British soccer ground because otherwise you're on your own and no will give a ****.

Again, no disrespect to Mr Cox and his family, I just find people's attitude to this rather strange. I wish him a full recovery. What was done to him was disgusting but it goes on all the time in society.

It's pretty simple - it was a high profile incident and both football clubs stepped up and contributed to raising funds/supporting the cause (along with Sean's friends and family).

Next time you decide to have a little rant have the conversation with a friend first - if they shoot you down and tell you you're talking sh*t you probably shouldn't create a thread on boards.

Gimme A Pound

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't think that is the what the OP is saying and you are twisting things.

It's possible to have fully sympathy and support Sean Cox , which any right-thinking person should have and to also ask why in society certain cases get pushed hard while others are forgotten about.

Sean Cox isn't a unique case but (thankfully for him) he has much more support than others in the same situation.
I don't begrudge him that and I hope he recovers but we can and should be able to ask questions too. It's not obscene to ask these questions.

Odd that you and others would think this as if we must all stay on script.

Agreed. The insults being thrown out involve no thought, just knees jerking.

I don't agree with everything the OP is saying but he isn't trying to have a go at Sean and his family.

Ursus Horribilis

It's a shame that his family need to fund raise in the first place. There's not much of a safety net in this country if you suffer something catastrophic like he did. It's shocking that he has to leave the rehabilitation centre because his time is up.

Harry Palmr

Maybe if this had happened outside say an Ariana Grande concert then she'd have put on a big show for the benefit of the victim.

The context is what matters here - football clubs, like pop stars are whether the OP likes it or not the nexus of a community that grows up around them. Cox is a supporter who has been going to games for 40 years or so, the injuries mean his family might be put to the pin of their collar for the rest of their lives. The club saw that they could do something to ameliorate the financial impact and so organised a game of football which the OP could have quite ignored if he so chose to do so.

chicorytip

I am not clear - and I doubt many are - as to the exact nature and extent of Mr. Cox's injuries. Has he suffered major irreparable brain damage? If not, then what is his long term prognosis? Could he recover to the extent of being able to live some semblance of a normal life without full time medical care?
I would be interested to hear detailed answers to these questions before deciding whether or not make a donation toward his benefit.
I would apply the same criteria for any similar type of case and am not casting any aspersions on the Cox family.

Ursus Horribilis

So in other words, you think this is all a big scam?

Pauliedragon

CarlosHarpic wrote: »

I feel genuinely sorry for the man and his family and i wish them the best. But there are victims and families destroyed by violent crime every day and they are forgotten because it wasn't connected to the world of British soccer.

If you get random attacked and suffer severe injuries pray that it's outside a British soccer ground because otherwise you're on your own and no will give a ****.

Again, no disrespect to Mr Cox and his family, I just find people's attitude to this rather strange. I wish him a full recovery. What was done to him was disgusting but it goes on all the time in society.

Why does it bother you? If people want to help the guy out so what. I agree that these things can favour certain people but I wouldn't be worried about it.

Edgware

chicorytip wrote: »

I am not clear - and I doubt many are - as to the exact nature and extent of Mr. Cox's injuries. Has he suffered major irreparable brain damage? If not, then what is his long term prognosis? Could he recover to the extent of being able to live some semblance of a normal life without full time medical care?
I would be interested to hear detailed answers to these questions before deciding whether or not make a donation toward his benefit.
I would apply the same criteria for any similar type of case and am not casting any aspersions on the Cox family.

Co

If you read any of the numerous accounts that have been published outlining his injuries you wouldn't be posting this gibberish. Either make a donation or dont. Decent people know the right thing to do

Sorry about that

chicorytip wrote: »

I am not clear - and I doubt many are - as to the exact nature and extent of Mr. Cox's injuries. Has he suffered major irreparable brain damage? If not, then what is his long term prognosis? Could he recover to the extent of being able to live some semblance of a normal life without full time medical care?
I would be interested to hear detailed answers to these questions before deciding whether or not make a donation toward his benefit.
I would apply the same criteria for any similar type of case and am not casting any aspersions on the Cox family.

I don’t believe that Sean Cox’s long term prognosis is anyone’s business but his. Crass.

BBFAN

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

It's a shame that his family need to fund raise in the first place. There's not much of a safety net in this country if you suffer something catastrophic like he did. It's shocking that he has to leave the rehabilitation centre because his time is up.

I was explaining to my son the other night that he had to leave the rehab place at the end of June and he couldn't believe it but that's the reality. There's a huge waiting list for that place. We need at least 3 more around the country.

Ashleigh1986

This was about a Liverpool fan getting very seriously injured while attending a Liverpool match .
Of course Liverpool were going to come out and help a lifelong fan ,especially a fan coming from a country , that has provided the club with some of their best players down tru the years .
Not to mention the enormous following they have in Ireland .
Remember ITS A BUSINESS !!!
The modern game is all about how it's been portrayed .
The fans are the ones paying for the huge wages of players and the huge profits that clubs are now making .
The last things these clubs want is their fans getting seriously injured attending games !!!

smurgen

CarlosHarpic wrote: »

I haven't ignored them because i generally agree with them. I never said anything against the events or fund raising. It's wonderful. But it only happened because of where it happened.

Most 'care' because its pop cultural and not due to compassion.

Again the person who brought up Maddy McCann made a valid point. It's media hype that controls the masses 'empathy' .

You're correct but your opinion is irrelevant.hope my reply helps.

NIMAN

chicorytip wrote: »

what is his long term prognosis?

He suffered 'life changing' injuries.

Usually this means that you will be affected for the remainder of 'your life'.

BBFAN

chicorytip wrote: »

I am not clear - and I doubt many are - as to the exact nature and extent of Mr. Cox's injuries. Has he suffered major irreparable brain damage? If not, then what is his long term prognosis? Could he recover to the extent of being able to live some semblance of a normal life without full time medical care?
I would be interested to hear detailed answers to these questions before deciding whether or not make a donation toward his benefit.
I would apply the same criteria for any similar type of case and am not casting any aspersions on the Cox family.

Don't know why I'll bother because you could easily look it up but the man suffered a very serious brain injury which means the left side of his body is paralysed and he is only now able to say about ten words so whatever the long term prognosis is he will spend at least another two years in full time care and after that will require at least 2 months rehab a year if not more.

No certain prognosis can be given with a head injury but one thing that is certain is that he has to leave the National Rehab Centre in June and will not get any better after that without full time private care.

Ursus Horribilis

BBFAN wrote: »

I was explaining to my son the other night that he had to leave the rehab place at the end of June and he couldn't believe it but that's the reality. There's a huge waiting list for that place. We need at least 3 more around the country.

I was shocked when I found this out too. The Cox family are "lucky" that they've managed to raise enough money to get Sean into another rehab facility. Good on them - I hope Sean continues to recover and can get to a place that exceeds their expectations. I for one don't begrudge it to him at all.

It is disturbing that there aren't more facilities out there for people. God only knows how many more people have had to be moved on from that rehab place (which is privately owned, isn't it?) because their timeslot was up. What sort of country are we when people's quality of life is jeopardised like this?

Ursus Horribilis

chicorytip wrote: »

I am not clear - and I doubt many are - as to the exact nature and extent of Mr. Cox's injuries. Has he suffered major irreparable brain damage? If not, then what is his long term prognosis? Could he recover to the extent of being able to live some semblance of a normal life without full time medical care?
I would be interested to hear detailed answers to these questions before deciding whether or not make a donation toward his benefit.
I would apply the same criteria for any similar type of case and am not casting any aspersions on the Cox family.

I thought the original post that started this thread was bad but this comment above is one of the worst things I've read on boards for a while. Is the evidence that's out there really not good enough for you?

whiskeyman

I think the OP raises an interesting debate that can be a thorny discussion.
We often see online campaigns to help sick kids and some gain huge support and bring in lots of financial assistance, but others don't have the same traction.
Dare I say, you need to market the situation as best you can to gain better support.
Sean Cox's situation brought out the best in football fans and clubs given where and how it happened... you could argue it was the right place and time to gain the publicity... but it's a situation no one wants to be in.

In my eyes, it's more a sad reflection on the state of our healthcare and other care services for sick people that families need to take this extra drive to secure funding for a better chance of life or even survival.

I hope none us of here ever have to be in that position.

keavebm

Ursus Horribilis wrote:

I thought the original post that started this thread was bad but this comment above is one of the worst things I've read on boards for a while. Is the evidence that's out there really not good enough for you?

Why was this comment so bad? I had a very close friend with a brain injury and once the money ran out that was it he died 2 weeks later.

Sean cox is a lucky man to be alive because of thugs. I wish my friend was as lucky. And btw it was thugs he hit him as well!

chicorytip

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I thought the original post that started this thread was bad but this comment above is one of the worst things I've read on boards for a while. Is the evidence that's out there really not good enough for you?

I think you have misunderstood my post entirely. It's entirely reasonable to raise the questions I did the answers to which we don't yet know. Your implication seems to be that my comments portray the Cox family as benefitting financially in some kind of dishonest fashion.
This would be utter nonsense. If that is what you are suggesting I think you should withdraw your remarks immediately.

mikeym

This thread should be locked.

There is no meaningful debate to this.