El_Bee wrote: » We LITERALLY don't, people are walking around with triple digit convictions ffs, ask anyone outside of Ireland if that's normal and they'll think your insane, people are getting 4-5 years for rape or murder, insanity.
Vince135792003 wrote: » It will only get worse. I'm a primary teacher at the senior end and each year less and less basic discipline is being accepted by parents. Basic manners are decreasing and an entitled, spoilt attitude is on the rise. Soon we will only be allowed to reprimand children in Morse code. And that is not good for society when these children reach adulthood.
raze_them_all_ wrote: » nobody is getting 4-5 years for murder. that is just a stupid thing to say. Would people be willing to stump up more taxes to build more jails? i bet not
El_Bee wrote: » https://www.thesun.ie/news/3908504/driver-who-killed-gaa-coach-eugene-mcnamara-in-clare-is-caged-for-four-years/
raze_them_all_ wrote: » thats not murder
Hal3000 wrote: » This is the problem. Ah sure look he was drunk, he's a new man and he probably won't do it again... This thread is now getting so sad with these liberal surrender monkeys. I want to cry about the injustice in this kip....
dxhound2005 wrote: » There used to be many more of those murders back in the day. 586 road deaths in 1975, 165 in 2015. Nowadays as well there is a lot less anti social behaviour compared to 20 or 30 years ago. I remember gangs of youngsters congregating and causing trouble. I don't see that any more, probably because they are all inside on their smart phones. Football hooliganism was a big thing back then as well. The crowds are mostly a lot more civilised now. Today's generation of children play outside for only half the time their parents did, so that seems to be translating into less trouble on the streets when they get a bit older as well.
raze_them_all_ wrote: » Your comprehension of the law is so little there would be space in a thimble left
Hal3000 wrote: » So what is the best course ? Let people with multiple serious convictions roam the streets and keep committing crimes because rehabilitation works and it's the best course of action ? If you seriously think these people care about contributing to society in any meaningful way you're mistaken. As I said before people make mistakes, but scrotes with 20 plus convictions... Forget it. Long sentence is only answer.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Still a man got 4 years for killing another man and drunk driving and driving double the speed lining in a built up area. (One of the laws that El Duderino probably thinks that applies to “anyone”). So it does need some explanation as to the reason for the leniency.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What's the answer? The first thing to do Is ask what works and what doesn't work in other comparable countries. Obviously. Same as everything. But without even being curious about whether it works or not, you conclude we should just lo k them up.
Don't you care about the world you're leaving for your children? If scumbag behaviour grows faster than you can lock people away, then the problems will grow over time. More victims of crime and more people locked away. Sounds like the worst of all possible worlds.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » What countries. What systems in these countries? What policies do you suggest to tackle the increase in scumbaggery you admit is happening. Concrete suggestions.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What's the answer? The first thing to do Is ask what works and what doesn't work in other comparable countries. Obviously. Same as everything. But without even being curious about whether it works or not, you conclude we should just lo k them up. Don't you care about the world you're leaving for your children? If scumbag behaviour grows faster than you can lock people away, then the problems will grow over time. More victims of crime and more people locked away. Sounds like the worst of all possible worlds.
Hal3000 wrote: » Again, I would be only interested in locking up serial repeat offenders so your point above is of no relevance. Your solution is let repeat offenders roam our streets until we find out what works best !!!! Hmmmm, Don't you care about the world you're leaving for your children??????
Hal3000 wrote: » If that's relative to space, I would be occupying most of the thimble. Your comprehension of sentencing is snowflake-esque.....let's just hope nothing ever lands at your door. I wonder then will you ask the judge to go easy on them ????
raze_them_all_ wrote: » You have no idea how amusing it is that you are calling me a snow flake. And no relative to space you still know **** all, but that's the problem with ignorance, you're too thick to realise you know **** all.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Now you're getting it. Those are the correct first questions. I didn't claim to have the answers. But starting and ending with "lock em up" is a surefire way to limit your Chances of success. Delighted you're finally at the point of asking what actually works.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » No I was at the point of asking you to tell us what works rather than hand waving about mythical other countries where something you can’t explain somehow works. It’s not even clear ireland locks people up more than most (and more importantly relative to crime levels) or that we don’t in fact have rehabilitate facilities - we do.
