Farawayhome wrote: » I think some unionists have this paranoia about a United Ireland. Because they treated Nationalists so badly in their state, they think there'd be some form of revenge or repercussions. This is far from the truth and in fact, Unionists will be mollycoddled in a United Ireland. Ordinary Irish people, be they Nationalist, unionist, neither, whatever religion and so on have so much in common. It doesn't make sense to have two states on this one island. Yes there'd be a few issues to sort out but they are very minor when you think about it. Let's just get on with it.
seamus wrote: » Seriously? When's the last time you've heard of houses in Dublin having to be evacuated on Halloween night due to their proximity to fires? How many bonfires in Dublin are forty feet high? How many are draped in foreign flags and used as beacons for racism and sectarianism? "Sure a few bonfires are lit in Dublin, what's the harm?" It's pretty clear blanch that you know nothing of the nature of bonfire night up North but you're trying to play Devil's Advocate anyway.
blanch152 wrote: » Certainly, given some of the views expressed on this thread such as - Ban their bonfires, but not ours - Keep the flag at all costs - Make their children learn Irish - Stop their parades etc., I would think that such fears are justified. Those who want a united Ireland need to wake up and start considering the real compromises that are required. It will mean doing things that go against the grain for nationalists, like the opposite of the list I just made.
Farawayhome wrote: » Ban all bonfires - Drama sorted Change the flag into one all are happy with - Drama sorted Irish is not a Nationalist language, it's the language of this island which was and is learned by unionists also - Drama sorted Parades be they unionist or nationalist should only go on streets where they are wanted - Drama sorted. Welcome to a United Ireland.
blanch152 wrote: » Eh, Halloween in Dublin?
blanch152 wrote: » If we have a united Ireland, it means nothing, it is only symbolic.
blanch152 wrote: » Certainly, given some of the views expressed on this thread such as- Ban their bonfires, but not ours - Keep the flag at all costs - Make their children learn Irish - Stop their parades etc., I would think that such fears are justified. Those who want a united Ireland need to wake up and start considering the real compromises that are required. It will mean doing things that go against the grain for nationalists, like the opposite of the list I just made.
blanch152 wrote: » This post illustrates how little understanding there is between the two sides.
Frank Castle wrote: » I disagree. As a unionist myself I agree with that post. Problem is too many people are vocal with their hate and don't represent the rest of us. Bit like how brexiteers think they represent us even though the majority of the north voted to remain. I would say the biggest problem is both sides refusing to communicate and automatically take a hostile position. Try taking the other side at face value for a change
blanch152 wrote: » The removal of mandatory Irish in education is an obvious first step to take towards the British minority in a united Ireland.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » I don't think bonfires should be banned - it would just feed into the unionist siege mentality - bonfires are good craic anyway. Definitely the Parades Commission would have to go all Ireland to contain parading in the northeast with maybe a special exemption for a couple of parades elsewhere
jm08 wrote: » Are you not worried about how dangerous some of them are? The size and proximity to housing estates is dangerous. People having to be evacuated from their homes, houses having to be hosed down by the fire brigade to to stop them going up in smoke.https://www.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/video-watch-moment-huge-bonfire-collapses-belfast-residents-living-in-fear-34851815.html edit: Would you mind saying what ROI discriminations you were referring to earlier?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Unionists should never be allowed to parade where they are not wanted and certainly not with bands or groups called 'Red Hand Defenders'. That is wrong in the current state and would be wrong in any new state. It is one of the compromises Unionism will have to make as they are being forced to make it now. The 'inalienable right to march where-ever they want' has been repudiated as the nonsense it always was by the Parades Commission and should stay that way. Republicans/nationalists will also have to accept that they cannot triumphalise/goad or intimidate either.
downcow wrote: » Thousands upon thousands of people take part in 11th night fires year after year. I can’t remember a single issue of anyone being injured. Remarkable it may be but it is also fact. So don’t do a Stephen Nolan and pretend you are worried about young prods or the environment. Neither stands up to examination
Frank Castle wrote: » Care to elaborate? As I don't see what you are to lp)
downcow wrote: » That’s a little simplistic. That would mean gay pride parades would not have taken off in most Irish cities. You never know, if you tolerate some diversity in your midst you may actually get to appreciate it. Tell me, is there other minority groups you would ban from parading where majorities didn’t tolerate them, or just prods?
jm08 wrote: » Good behaviour is a requirement for anyone who wants to parade. Are you suggesting that the OO should be given special permission to misbehave? What ROI discrimination are you referring to? English has equal standing with Irish - both are compulsory here.
downcow wrote: » Thousands upon thousands of people take part in 11th night fires year after year. I can’t remember a single issue of anyone being injured. Remarkable it may be but it is also fact.
Dytalus wrote: » There is a mosque near my old college which Muslims are freely allowed worship in. There are no laws denying Spanish immigrants the right to speak their language. You can even study it for the leaving certificate if you want, though due to budget and time constraints not every school can offer it. Likewise with German, Arabic, French, Russian, Japanese and many others. All available to study and take examinations in at a student's request. .
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nobody has an issue with history and tradition. How many times does it need to be stated. Having 'a right to march wherever you want' is not a tradition. Bigotry, racism and intimidation around bonfire season is not based on any history a democrat would want to keep. That needs to be forgotten and put away.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So because Halloween in Dublin endangers people, so too should others be allowed to, so a few belligerent unionists, who are breaking quite a few laws/codes, won't be upset??
downcow wrote: » Francie that is so 1998s
BluePlanet wrote: » My own take is that all bonfires should be treated equally and all banned, with equal vigor.
Farawayhome wrote: » I think some unionists have this paranoia about a United Ireland. Because they treated Nationalists so badly in their state, they think there'd be some form of revenge or repercussions. This is far from the truth and in fact, Unionists will be mollycoddled in a United Ireland.lt.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Mostly because Catholics stayed out of the way.
