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Carrying on with the discussion as the other thread is full

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055766866/1

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marno21

jasper100 wrote: »

The growth is being experienced across the route, with city to city journeys surging and a particularly strong student demand. The Ennis to Limerick service and the Athenry to Galway commuter services have shown significant growth.

It's little wonder there's "surging" growth with the fares still subsidised (which I agree with - little point in running high fares with empty trains).

jasper100

L1011 wrote: »

How much of this is extra journeys due to Oranmore; which is not on the reopened section?

The figures given always include the pre-existing sections.

The growth is being experienced across the route, with city to city journeys surging and a particularly strong student demand. The Ennis to Limerick service and the Athenry to Galway commuter services have shown significant growth.

what_traffic

serfboard wrote: »

Of course they do:
The Oranmore station car park is very busy.The one at Gort? Not so much.

So Oranmore is working as a Park 'n 'Ride, getting all the car-dependent dispersed commuters out of their cars on the outskirts of the city. A proper use of this resource, but one which did not need over 100 million Euro spent on it.

If they had spent 100 million Euro between Athenry and Galway City with new stations, dual track - IR would be getting alot more bang for the buck now for sure.

serfboard

L1011 wrote: »

The figures given always include the pre-existing sections.

Of course they do:

The Clare Champion wrote:

The Ennis to Limerick service and the Athenry to Galway commuter services have shown significant growth.
...
According to Iarnród Éireann, a range of measures to boost demand included ... the opening of the Oranmore Station in 2013.

The Oranmore station car park is very busy.The one at Gort? Not so much.

So Oranmore is working as a Park 'n 'Ride, getting all the car-dependent dispersed commuters out of their cars on the outskirts of the city. A proper use of this resource, but one which did not need over 100 million Euro spent on it.

L1011

jasper100 wrote: »

According to the Clare champion Irish Rail expects 420000 passenger journeys this year and its the fast growing line in the country!

the company predicts that journeys on the line will reach 420,000 this year

How much of this is extra journeys due to Oranmore; which is not on the reopened section?

The figures given always include the pre-existing sections.

jasper100

According to the Clare champion Irish Rail expects 420000 passenger journeys this year and its the fast growing line in the country!

the company predicts that journeys on the line will reach 420,000 this year

westtip

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

Boards might as well go the whole hog and make westtip a mod.

I would endorse that! chill pills required though!:pac:

Lord Glentoran

Boards might as well go the whole hog and make westtip a mod.

monument

London Correspondent wrote: »

Really? Don't get me started on all the whoppers, lies, exaggerations and pure bull**** that have been posted on these various WRC threads over the years. Note that the people who really know whats going on and making things happen will never post here.

westtip wrote: »

So says London Correspondent who apparently joined Boards in January 2019 and has posted 16 post!:D

Hello London Correspondent,

If you want to come on here and with in your first handful of posts have a good old rant about what’s posted here, make such stark comments and then say who would or would not post here, then you are opening yourself to stark responses.

The response to you is mild and, given your rant, it’s well within the rules.

Please try to be more constructive with future posts.

— moderator

Lord Glentoran

London Correspondent wrote: »

Similar to the Cork to Limerick motorway that already exists...

Ouch!

westtip

London Correspondent wrote: »

Really? Don't get me started on all the whoppers, lies, exaggerations and pure bull**** that have been posted on these various WRC threads over the years. Note that the people who really know whats going on and making things happen will never post here.

So says London Correspondent who apparently joined Boards in January 2019 and has posted 16 post!:D

serfboard

London Correspondent wrote: »

Note that the people who really know whats going on and making things happen will never post here.

Really?

Do tell us more. Who are these "people who really know whats going on and [are] making things happen"?

London Correspondent

Really? Don't get me started on all the whoppers, lies, exaggerations and pure bull**** that have been posted on these various WRC threads over the years. Note that the people who really know whats going on and making things happen will never post here.

noelfirl

London Correspondent wrote: »

God forbid it would be a train. They’re evil things you know.

Sorry, but can we flip that around a bit please? There have actually been several posts on boards.ie through the years which account to little more then shouting 'I WON'T travel on a bus, I WON'T!' and stamping their feet.

westtip

serfboard wrote: »

Add those to the 2 services provided by Feda O’Donnell, the 13 services provided by Bus Eireann and the 19 (weekday) services provided by Burkes giving a total of 39 weekday buses from Tuam to Galway.

But no - the people of Tuam want a train service instead that’s going to be less frequent, slower and more expensive, which is why they marched in their thousands around the town demanding it.

Except they didn’t.

Tuam? Tuam? What's Tuam got to do with it, this is all about Claremorris, and the billions of tonnes of freight that needs moving from Mayo to Foynes. Tuam where is Tuam anyway....:D

what_traffic

Muckyboots wrote: »

Ah ya, but it's not a train.

True - they are very comfortable Volvo 9700 coaches, with free WiFi and power sockets. On board toilet facilities.

serfboard

what_traffic wrote: »

5 NEW bus services added to this route since 01-04-2019

Add those to the 2 services provided by Feda O’Donnell, the 13 services provided by Bus Eireann and the 19 (weekday) services provided by Burkes giving a total of 39 weekday buses from Tuam to Galway.

But no - the people of Tuam want a train service instead that’s going to be less frequent, slower and more expensive, which is why they marched in their thousands around the town demanding it.

Except they didn’t.

London Correspondent

God forbid it would be a train. They’re evil things you know.

Muckyboots

what_traffic wrote: »

5 NEW bus services added to this route since 01-04-2019 (No APRIL Fools)
Not using the Motorway (servicing Claregalway and Carnmore instead)(possibly using section of the N6 that is Dual Carraigeway)

https://www.gobus.ie/Ballina

Timetables

https://www.gobus.ie/dp.php?c=ballina&t=galway-to-ballina-timetable&id=51
https://www.gobus.ie/dp.php?c=ballina&t=ballina-to-galway-city-timetable-commencing-april-1st-2019&id=49

Ah ya, but it's not a train.

Isambard

London Correspondent wrote: »

Similar to the Cork to Limerick motorway that already exists...

amusing but not comparable.

what_traffic

Sam Russell wrote: »

I am very familiar with Tuam and Galway. If the population of Tuam travelled from Tuam to Athenry, how would they get to Galway? There is no capacity on the Athenry to Galway to carry them - it is a single track railway.

Why would they go by train when a bus can do the journey quicker down the new motorway?

5 NEW bus services added to this route since 01-04-2019 (No APRIL Fools)
Not using the Motorway (servicing Claregalway and Carnmore instead)(possibly using section of the N6 that is Dual Carraigeway)

https://www.gobus.ie/Ballina

Timetables

https://www.gobus.ie/dp.php?c=ballina&t=galway-to-ballina-timetable&id=51
https://www.gobus.ie/dp.php?c=ballina&t=ballina-to-galway-city-timetable-commencing-april-1st-2019&id=49

London Correspondent

Isambard wrote: »

there already is a Cork to Derry rail route.

Similar to the Cork to Limerick motorway that already exists...

Isambard

westtip wrote: »

The whole point in this endless debate though is if anyone wants a North/south Rail route from say Derry to Cork then go campaign for a route that can provide a proper train service, reinventing this ramshackle rambling route that twists and turns its way through the countryside is not about creating modern 21st century infrastructure. The road lobby would never have accepted the idea of upgrading the national road system by widening a few national roads and putting a few bypasses akin to lets say for example the Enfield bypass. If the rail lobby had from day one fought for a proper new alignment they would probably have a much better Limerick Galway link now, ie a line that actually goes from point to point. Re-opening the closed railway will deliver a second rate product, is that what West on Track are aiming to deliver? It is a second rate campaign to deliver second rate piece of infrastructure, so why not let go of the old route, let it become a greenway and look for something that will deliver what they yearn?

there already is a Cork to Derry rail route.

westtip

Del.Monte wrote: »

Athenry/Claremorris is part of a through route - not a branch from Athenry to Claremorris and no sensible person is suggesting that Ballyglunin, Tuam etc. are going to be major sources of traffic but it all contributes. A proper North/South rail spine down the West side of the island makes sense but it's difficult to argue this point with people such as yourself who appear to know nothing about the route save what they have read on Boards. No personal criticism intended.

The whole point in this endless debate though is if anyone wants a North/south Rail route from say Derry to Cork then go campaign for a route that can provide a proper train service, reinventing this ramshackle rambling route that twists and turns its way through the countryside is not about creating modern 21st century infrastructure. The road lobby would never have accepted the idea of upgrading the national road system by widening a few national roads and putting a few bypasses akin to lets say for example the Enfield bypass. If the rail lobby had from day one fought for a proper new alignment they would probably have a much better Limerick Galway link now, ie a line that actually goes from point to point. Re-opening the closed railway will deliver a second rate product, is that what West on Track are aiming to deliver? It is a second rate campaign to deliver second rate piece of infrastructure, so why not let go of the old route, let it become a greenway and look for something that will deliver what they yearn?

Sam Russell

Del.Monte wrote: »

Athenry/Claremorris is part of a through route - not a branch from Athenry to Claremorris and no sensible person is suggesting that Ballyglunin, Tuam etc. are going to be major sources of traffic but it all contributes. A proper North/South rail spine down the West side of the island makes sense but it's difficult to argue this point with people such as yourself who appear to know nothing about the route save what they have read on Boards. No personal criticism intended.

I am very familiar with Tuam and Galway. If the population of Tuam travelled from Tuam to Athenry, how would they get to Galway? There is no capacity on the Athenry to Galway to carry them - it is a single track railway.

Why would they go by train when a bus can do the journey quicker down the new motorway?

There is no sense whatsoever to open the line. There are no population centres on the route, and no passengers prepared to wait on a wet and windy platform at Athenry for a connection to Galway.

What would the running time for a train from Tuam to Athenry be?
How many staff would be required to support the service?
What would the subvention be per annum for the service?
How much would the reinstatement of the line cost?

If there is money for trains, there are better candidates than this line. Navan to M3 Parkway - about 30 km, with plenty of would be passengers en route. Or if you like, Navan to Drogheda might be better as the line is there now and in current use for freight (or was until recently).

Del.Monte

serfboard wrote: »

A through route from where to where?

Take your pick - Limerick/Westport; Limerick/Ballina; Galway/Limerick; Wesport/Galway; Waterford (should be Rosslare)/Gallway/Westport/Ballina etc. or Cork to any of the above. It's not about 'all' those commuters in Athenry who want to get to Ballyglunin/Tuam or Claremorris.

Grandeeod

Del.Monte wrote: »

Athenry/Claremorris is part of a through route - not a branch from Athenry to Claremorris and no sensible person is suggesting that Ballyglunin, Tuam etc. are going to be major sources of traffic but it all contributes. A proper North/South rail spine down the West side of the island makes sense but it's difficult to argue this point with people such as yourself who appear to know nothing about the route save what they have read on Boards. No personal criticism intended.

Ah Del.Monte.:D I know all about the route and no matter how much money we have the existing alignment won't cut it. You got Limerick - Galway via Athenry and after my experience last week, it's not too great.

serfboard

Del.Monte wrote: »

Athenry/Claremorris is part of a through route

A through route from where to where?

Del.Monte

Sam Russell wrote: »

Looking at that video, going from Claremorris to Athenry, there is mainly just single track, with no room for dual track.

Also there are no places from which it might fnd a few passengers. There are not even very many one-off houses. How could such a train service even pay for the fuel, let alone the wages?

Athenry/Claremorris is part of a through route - not a branch from Athenry to Claremorris and no sensible person is suggesting that Ballyglunin, Tuam etc. are going to be major sources of traffic but it all contributes. A proper North/South rail spine down the West side of the island makes sense but it's difficult to argue this point with people such as yourself who appear to know nothing about the route save what they have read on Boards. No personal criticism intended.

westtip

trellheim wrote: »

Was this not done before ?

Yep as GD said many times, the most recent was the national rail review three years ago, but there is something about the mindset of West on Track that has a stranglehold over government. So we are wasting half a million euro on yet another independent survey...its enough to make your blood boil.....:mad: