smacl wrote: » I agree entirely, but that doesn't excuse inaction in favour of the status quo, which is precisely what is happening here. Divestment is the most cost effective mechanism available to the state to ensure people are treated in a fair and proportionate manner, which clearly isn't currently the case.
smacl wrote: » Again I agree, though I think you'd find the students are already quite a bit more flexible than the staff and parents. Young minds tend to deal well with change, particularly where we're talking about primary school kids. The intransigent attitudes here lie entirely with the grown ups.
Peregrinus wrote: » Are those with a fixed preference for non-Catholic patronage also "intransigent"?
SusanC10 wrote: » Our Kids go to a Multi-Denom Primary School (Not Educate Together). We are practising Catholics. We have a School Uniform (crested). Our school does not do a Nativity Play. However, there is a talent show type thing in May every year where there is singing, drama etc. There is a 6th Class Graduation Ceremony but there is no Mass. We do a Christmas Fair with Santa there. We do not have a Grandparents Day, however that has more to do with the PA decision that it could be upsetting to some kids who have no Grandparents remaining alive. We do a Green Day for St. Patrick's Day and dress up days for Halloween and World Book Day. We do not make St. Brigid's Crosses nor is there Ash distributed on Ash Wednesday. Catholic Classes are run after school hours in the school. Parents pay extra per year for these Classes. The Catholic kids make their Sacraments together in one of the local Churches and there are refreshments afterwards in the school hall. We (our family) believe that religion and faith are personal to each family and should be taught at home and in the relevant Church which is part of the reason we chose this school for our kids although the Catholic Parish School is geographically closer.
evolving_doors wrote: » Will you have the same choice for secondary when the time comes?
tretorn wrote: » And thats your decision but other parents may have gone out of their way to select a Catholic school because they want their children to have a faith school education.
tretorn wrote: » Neither will the Muslims, they try and impose their feudal beliefs, eg what little girls should wear on the rest of us and the rest of us will say NO so the Muslims send their children to muslim schools so they can disregard the laws off the land and treat female pupils like second class citizens, ie they can have the left overs after the boys can be looked after. The LGBT children, God help them as you can only imagine the teachings on homosexuality, they type of stuff they will be taught wouldnt be approved by the Department of Education but no one is going to oversee whats taught in Muslim schools because Odious will be along to squeal racism,lol
tretorn wrote: » Its all very First world stuff. The children being educated in these schools are among the luckiest on the planet. Imagine the life on a child in Bangladesh, stuck in some factory sewing buttons for so many hours everyday that his sight eventually goes. Then these liberal parents whining on about their rights to a secular education are buying their childrens uniforms complete with buttons sewn by child in the factory who will never learn to read and write.
end of the road wrote: » muslim schools have to abide by the rules as set down by the department and are subject to sanction if they don't. they will be sanctioned the same as any other school. no amount of crying racism will get a muslim school out of being sanctioned if they do break the rules. you need to find new sources of information instead of the anti-islam/far right propaganda pieces you are reading.
tretorn wrote: » You make me laugh so much. Check out the Ofsted reports in Britain in relation to practices in schools where the intake is entirely Muslim. Then check out some of the Whole school Evaluation report done on Muslim primary schools here. ETA,https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/01/ofsted-faith-schools-jewish-girls-censorshiphttps://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/nov/23/growing-proportion-private-faith-schools-fail-ofsted-inspections There I have lined an article for you, you can read it before you nod off tonight. Thank God for our harmless RC and COI schools, we have little to be worried about. How come actually when people talking about a secular education just talk about Catholic schools, if we want secular education that means all faith schools have to close, thats all COI, all Muslim, all jewish schools, hell will freeze over before this happens.
tretorn wrote: » ................ Neither will the Muslims, they try and impose their feudal beliefs, eg what little girls should wear on the rest of us and the rest of us will say NO so the Muslims send their children to muslim schools so they can disregard the laws off the land and treat female pupils like second class citizens, ie they can have the left overs after the boys can be looked after. The LGBT children, God help them as you can only imagine the teachings on homosexuality, they type of stuff they will be taught wouldnt be approved by the Department of Education but no one is going to oversee whats taught in Muslim schools because Odious will be along to squeal racism,lol
Anteayer wrote: » Could you not just have, grandparents' day without mass? I don't really see how or why it has to be a religious thing. Why can't it simply be an event about connecting the generations?!
tretorn wrote: » There isnt any choice at all In Muslim countries so why are we removing Christian symbols from our schools in case we offend our “ new Irish”.
tretorn wrote: » Parents have a big say in these ET schools and teachers in RC schools dont want to engage with these vocal well heeled mouthpieces.
seamus wrote: » Because RC schools are now painfully aware that the primary driver behind religiosity is the grandparents, not the parents. So they've invented ways to get the grandparents invested into their childrens' religious education to try and pick up the slack of the parents. There was none of this fuss about including grandparents back in the 90's or earlier. In our school there had to be a limit on guests for communions and confirmations, many kids could only bring one, maybe two grandparents. Now they're all about it. Because they know that most parents are going through the motions, having the religious days out for the grandparents.
tretorn wrote: » This has to be the silliest thread of the century. The parents are not having the religious day out for the Grandparents, they are having it so their child can be the centre of the family for the day. Its the chance to shower love and attention and money on this child, dress the whole family up and show the whole family off. The day for lots of parents hasnt much religious significance but the holy communion is a nice Irish custom and tradition and parents like it so they arent going to have their child denied the big day out, the ceremony with the pals, the party back in the school, the get together with fellow parents at a happy time, its the link between the parish and the school that parents want and most do want some sort of faith for their children and there isnt anything in other religions that has more to offer than the devil they know. As regards the Grandparents being invited into the school, this is probably because Grandparents play a big role in childcare now and many do school drop off and collections. They are interested and involved in their grandchilds life and whats wrong with bringing the two generations together. I cant see how divesting the school is going to make a difference, Grandparents are invited into ET schools so this invite isnt a big conspiracy on the part of the Catholic Church to rake children into their church. Again, any new schools the Department are building now are all ET so its not as if the clergy grip isnt slipping anyway.
The Irish education system has served us well, why fix something that the majority are happy with.
If you want a choice of ET schools then move to West Dublin, its as multicultural as you can get too, tonnes of immigrants to befriend, it might suit people here.
tretorn wrote: » Try Tyrellstown houses are fairly reasonably priced there are lots of new ET schools have opened up there. I am sure there are a few non denominational community secondary schools too and the locals there seem happy enough with the choice. How are your rights in the Catholic school violated, no one is forcing your child to participate in a religion class, he can go and sit outside the principals door while the majority of his classmates learn whatever they learn in religion, honestly, get a grip, you could be the christian women locked up because she touched a cup belonging to a muslim, you need to come up for fresh air once in a while and count your blessings. Violating your human rights, seriously.
tretorn wrote: » no one is forcing your child to participate in a religion class, he can go and sit outside the principals door
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » How about the teachers, a non-catholic won't be employed in over 90% of our primary schools.
tretorn wrote: » There isnt any choice at all In Muslim countries so why are we removing Christian symbols from our schools in case we offend our “ new Irish”. .
